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Tony Blair's former attorney general and Lord Chancellor are set to lead the charge against plans to extend the time terror suspects can be held to 42 days. | Tony Blair's former attorney general and Lord Chancellor are set to lead the charge against plans to extend the time terror suspects can be held to 42 days. |
Lord Goldsmith and Lord Falconer are expected to attack the proposals during a debate on the Counter Terrorism Bill, which peers have begun. | Lord Goldsmith and Lord Falconer are expected to attack the proposals during a debate on the Counter Terrorism Bill, which peers have begun. |
The House of Lords is widely expected to block the plan, which passed through the Commons by just nine votes in June. | The House of Lords is widely expected to block the plan, which passed through the Commons by just nine votes in June. |
A rebellion by Labour MPs meant it passed only thanks to DUP MPs' backing. | A rebellion by Labour MPs meant it passed only thanks to DUP MPs' backing. |
The government wants to extend the maximum period a terror suspect can be detained without charge from 28 to 42 days. | The government wants to extend the maximum period a terror suspect can be detained without charge from 28 to 42 days. |
It says this is needed to deal with increasingly complex plots. | It says this is needed to deal with increasingly complex plots. |
Prime Minister Gordon Brown's plan looks set to face an even tougher battle in the Lords, where the combined total of Tory and Lib Dem peers heavily outnumber Labour members. | Prime Minister Gordon Brown's plan looks set to face an even tougher battle in the Lords, where the combined total of Tory and Lib Dem peers heavily outnumber Labour members. |
'More ruthless' | 'More ruthless' |
Opening the debate, Security Minister Lord West said: "We face an unprecedented terrorist threat... There's a clear and present danger to our population." | Opening the debate, Security Minister Lord West said: "We face an unprecedented terrorist threat... There's a clear and present danger to our population." |
He added: "The terrorists we face are more ruthless than those we faced in the past." | He added: "The terrorists we face are more ruthless than those we faced in the past." |
But shadow security minister Dame Neville-Jones said of the 42-days plan: "It represents yet another attack, on the part of the government, without justification, on fundamental democratic rights and freedoms that have underpinned our society for centuries." | |
The crunch debate comes before Thursday's Haltemprice and Howden by-election which was sparked by ex-shadow home secretary David Davis's resignation after the government won the terror detentions vote in the Commons. | The crunch debate comes before Thursday's Haltemprice and Howden by-election which was sparked by ex-shadow home secretary David Davis's resignation after the government won the terror detentions vote in the Commons. |
Mr Davis said he wanted to stand for re-election on a civil liberties platform. | Mr Davis said he wanted to stand for re-election on a civil liberties platform. |
This draconian proposal will be defeated in the House of Lords Lord ThomasLiberal Democrats | This draconian proposal will be defeated in the House of Lords Lord ThomasLiberal Democrats |
But neither Labour nor the Liberal Democrats have entered candidates for the contest. | But neither Labour nor the Liberal Democrats have entered candidates for the contest. |
The Conservatives and Lib Dems say they will try to defeat the 42-day measure when the bill reaches its detailed parliamentary stages, possibly after the long summer recess. | The Conservatives and Lib Dems say they will try to defeat the 42-day measure when the bill reaches its detailed parliamentary stages, possibly after the long summer recess. |
Lord Goldsmith, who was the legal adviser to Tony Blair's government after the terror attacks on London and in the run-up to the Iraq invasion, is due to speak in the debate and has made no secret of his opposition to the plans. | Lord Goldsmith, who was the legal adviser to Tony Blair's government after the terror attacks on London and in the run-up to the Iraq invasion, is due to speak in the debate and has made no secret of his opposition to the plans. |
He has said "the case has not been made" to extend the limit on holding terror suspects, and he could not support it. | He has said "the case has not been made" to extend the limit on holding terror suspects, and he could not support it. |
He also argued that extending the pre-charge limit to 42 days would send a message to Muslims "that we are down on them". | He also argued that extending the pre-charge limit to 42 days would send a message to Muslims "that we are down on them". |
'Discredited policy' | 'Discredited policy' |
Lord Thomas, who speaks on attorney general issues for the Lib Dems, said: "Holding someone without charge for 42 days adds nothing of value to the investigation, prosecution or conviction of terrorists. | Lord Thomas, who speaks on attorney general issues for the Lib Dems, said: "Holding someone without charge for 42 days adds nothing of value to the investigation, prosecution or conviction of terrorists. |
"The government's proposals do not have serious support amongst senior police officers, ex-government law officers, the director of public prosecutions, the legal profession or, indeed, anyone who knows anything about the criminal justice process. | "The government's proposals do not have serious support amongst senior police officers, ex-government law officers, the director of public prosecutions, the legal profession or, indeed, anyone who knows anything about the criminal justice process. |
"Gordon Brown's clinging to the shreds of his discredited policy in the hope that he can pass off this ineffective and unprincipled stance as somehow 'tough' on terror. | "Gordon Brown's clinging to the shreds of his discredited policy in the hope that he can pass off this ineffective and unprincipled stance as somehow 'tough' on terror. |
"This draconian proposal will be defeated in the House of Lords." | "This draconian proposal will be defeated in the House of Lords." |
Attempts to extend the terror detention limit to 90 days in 2005 ended in Mr Blair's first Commons defeat as prime minister. | Attempts to extend the terror detention limit to 90 days in 2005 ended in Mr Blair's first Commons defeat as prime minister. |