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Former BHS boss Philip Green 'blocked' Mike Ashley rescue deal – live Former BHS boss Philip Green 'blocked' Mike Ashley rescue deal – live
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1.53pm BST
13:53
Chappell: I didn't threaten to kill my CEO
Despite quizzing Chappell for two hours, the MPs failed to ask the former owner of BHS about the allegation that he threatened to kill CEO Darren Topp.
But the British press pack are on the case....
Our own Sarah Butler, and the Telegraph’s Ashley Armstrong, collared Chappell in the media strum.
And Chappell has denied that he made the threat after Topp discovered the £1.5m transfer of funds to BHS Sweden (as the MPs heard this morning)
Chappell says Darren Topp's claim that he threatened to kill him was "a nonsense" "of course I haven't got a gun" he says
Chappell on sidelines : "Absolute rubbish I did not threaten To kill him (BHS boss) or have a gun"
1.48pm BST
13:48
Chappell apologises for his part in BHS's failure
And finally.... the MPs ask Dominic Chappell about what he most regrets, with hindsight.
Chappell pauses, and then points to the pension black hole.
We should have spend more time looking at the pension issue before the deal, and ensured that Philip Green was contractually committed to helping with trade insurance.
Q: And would you like to apologise to anyone?
I am very upset that there are 11,000 people directly, and many thousands more indirectly, who have lost their jobs, says Chappell.
It is a travesty that it happened. I am very upset that it happened, and it was avoidable.
Q: For the record, is that an apology?
It is an apology, Chappell confirms.
Q: So, are you to blame for the collapse of BHS?
Chappell says he is partly responsible:
I must stand forward as majority shareholder and say we were part of the downfall of BHS.
And that’s the end of the hearing.....
1.42pm BST
13:42
Interesting.... Chappell reveals that BHS Sweden was solely owned by one Retail Acquisitions director, Lennard Henningson, when £1.5m was transferred from BHS.
Ie:, it wasn’t incorporated into BHS. But that was always supposed to happen, Chappell insists, but RAL hasn’t had time to do it. They were difficult times.
Dominic Chappell admits that BHS Sweden was solely owned by Lennart Henningson, not BHS
1.38pm BST
13:38
MP: Chappell should have been on the bridge, not a yacht
Q: What sort of message does it send about capitalism that you were in the Bahamas on the day when BHS went into administration?
This is a sideshow, fumes Chappell. He tells MPs that he can show them details of the meetings he had with potential investors who could have saved BHS.
The MPs aren’t impressed, saying “Captains should be on the bridge of the ship, not a yacht.”
Chappell says that the administrators, Duffy Phelps, made it clear that we were not allowed back in the building.
Chappell admits he was in Bahamas when administrators called in to BHS: MP: "The captain should be on the bridge of the ship."
1.34pm BST
13:34
Chappell defends £1.5m transfer
Q: At last.... the committee ask about the £1.5m which Chappell tried to transfer out of BHS to Sweden (as CEO Darren Topp revealed).
Chappell claims he did this to protect funds, as he believes Topp was working to a different agenda. He says the money was needed to pay various fees, such as insurance, and to JP Morgan and KPMG.
Q: So why did you put it back?
Chappell says he was reassured by Topp, so brought the money back (minus £50,000 in fees which have now been repaid too)
Mr Topp is sitting in the gallery, shaking his head, points out Iain Wright MP. Perhaps we should hear from him again before this session ends.....
1.33pm BST
13:33
The committee ask for details about various BHS property sales...
Chappell says he "can't recall" if any of £1m diverted from two BHS property sales to RAL ended up in he personal bank account
1.29pm BST
13:29
The gloves are coming off.... Frank Field MP tells Dominic Chappell that his grandmother would call him a “Walter Mitty” character, but one who can get money for himself.
That’s very personal, Chappell replies.
Chappell cracks: says £1.5m loan "what difference does it make in the grand scheme of of things" "your being very personal"
1.28pm BST
13:28
Chappell: £1.5m loan is a sideshow
The MPs now demand more details about the £1.5m loan that Retail Acquisitions gave to the company that owns Chappell’s father’s house.
Chappell says that the loan was agreed by RAL’s board – he voted in favour, although one independent director abstained.
It might have been better if YOU had abstained, the committee suggest, then the independent directors could vote on it. Where was the corporate governance?
MP: "There was no corporate governance at all in Retail Acquisitions at all it was just a joke."
Chappell doesn’t like this line of questioning - claiming that £1.5m is “a sideshow” compared to what BHS is all about.
This is not a sideshow, he’s told, as gasps echo around the room. This goes to the heart of what went wrong at BHS.
Gasps in the room as Chappell says "what difference would £1.5m from BHS make in the grand scheme of things? It's a sideshow"
1.22pm BST1.22pm BST
13:2213:22
Chappell: I'm not going bankrupt againChappell: I'm not going bankrupt again
Iain Wright MP asks Chappell about a personal loan of £150,000 he took out recently, at 1% per month, repayable after two weeks.Iain Wright MP asks Chappell about a personal loan of £150,000 he took out recently, at 1% per month, repayable after two weeks.
Only £75,000 has been repaid, and the other half has now been formally demanded (by the Dellal family, who had been involved those complicated property deals)Only £75,000 has been repaid, and the other half has now been formally demanded (by the Dellal family, who had been involved those complicated property deals)
Q: Mr Chappell, are you going bankrupt again?Q: Mr Chappell, are you going bankrupt again?
No, says Chappell, giving a vey short laugh (and not looking amused at all).No, says Chappell, giving a vey short laugh (and not looking amused at all).
He says that he had a tax bill to pay.He says that he had a tax bill to pay.
Q: But you’ve told us that you’ve made money on BHS.Q: But you’ve told us that you’ve made money on BHS.
Yes, but when you make a profit, you incur tax, Chappell explains.Yes, but when you make a profit, you incur tax, Chappell explains.
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Q: Did you lend £1.5m from BHS to a property company connected to your father?Q: Did you lend £1.5m from BHS to a property company connected to your father?
The loan came from Retail Acquisitions, Chappell says, not BHS, from money generated by the business. It went to a company that owns his father’s house.The loan came from Retail Acquisitions, Chappell says, not BHS, from money generated by the business. It went to a company that owns his father’s house.
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Dominic Chappell is adamant that he’s not to blame for the deadlock over BHS’s pension black hole.Dominic Chappell is adamant that he’s not to blame for the deadlock over BHS’s pension black hole.
It’s argues that its Philip Green’s fault, for failing to co-operate with the pension regulators.It’s argues that its Philip Green’s fault, for failing to co-operate with the pension regulators.
Frank Field: "Philip Green was like Banquo's ghost in all of this - he was always there. He wouldn't leave you along"Frank Field: "Philip Green was like Banquo's ghost in all of this - he was always there. He wouldn't leave you along"
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In another dizzying trip down the rabbit hole, Chappell says he wasn’t allowed to speak to the Pensions Regulator about BHS before he had actually bought the company.In another dizzying trip down the rabbit hole, Chappell says he wasn’t allowed to speak to the Pensions Regulator about BHS before he had actually bought the company.
Bizarre. Condition of BHS deal was that Sir Philip Green would not allow Dominic Chappell to see Pensions Regulator before dealBizarre. Condition of BHS deal was that Sir Philip Green would not allow Dominic Chappell to see Pensions Regulator before deal
1.04pm BST1.04pm BST
13:0413:04
Dominic Chappell continues to blame Sir Philip Green for BHS’s collapse.Dominic Chappell continues to blame Sir Philip Green for BHS’s collapse.
He repeats his complaint that the Arcadia boss didn’t deliver on his promise to sort out BHS’s credit insurance (which drove up costs)He repeats his complaint that the Arcadia boss didn’t deliver on his promise to sort out BHS’s credit insurance (which drove up costs)
BHS pension like "lighting the red touch paper" w Green, Chappell says. "He went from zero to incredibly angry the moment you mentioned it"BHS pension like "lighting the red touch paper" w Green, Chappell says. "He went from zero to incredibly angry the moment you mentioned it"
Chappell says he did "everything in my powers", including attempting to sell to Mike Ashley before Green "railroaded" the rescue dealChappell says he did "everything in my powers", including attempting to sell to Mike Ashley before Green "railroaded" the rescue deal
MPs aren’t impressed...MPs aren’t impressed...
Q: You bought this company, and had a cash crisis within three months of buying the business.Q: You bought this company, and had a cash crisis within three months of buying the business.
Chappell claims it was more like a short-term pinch point - and he sorted out a loan to cover it.Chappell claims it was more like a short-term pinch point - and he sorted out a loan to cover it.
12.49pm BST
12:49
Dominic Chappell claims that BHS’s landlords were very hard to deal with, after years of being yelled at by Green.
There was a perception that we were Philip’s boys... brought in to take this problem child of Arcadia’s hands, he adds.
Dominic Chappell with a classic understatement, says Sir Philip Green has "a slight control issue"
12.44pm BST
12:44
Chappell: Sports Direct were prepared to save BHS
Boom! Dominic Chappell has told MPs that BHS could have been saved from liquidation, because Mike Ashley of Sports Direct was prepared to step in.
Chappell says that Sports Direct was a “willing buyer” for BHS, if it could have avoided the pension liabilities.
We worked for 24-hour straight, says Chappell. “Mike would have saved the business”
But Green didn’t want the deal to go through, so he called in the administrators by triggering the £35m charge that he still held on BHS.
Chappell claims Sir Philip Green went "insane" when he found out he was trying to sell BHS to Sports Direct, so called in administrators
According to Chappell, Sports Direct would have given BHS the capital injection it needed. That would have left Greens’ £35m loan “in the long grass”.
But SPD would only do the deal if the pension regulators agreed that Sports Direct would be “found harmless” for the pension liabilities.
The Pension Protection Fund worked almost all night, looking for a solution, but then said he needed more time - and then Green served the notice that forced the administration, Chappell claims.
Yesterday, Mike Ashley told the BIS committee that he “100%” wanted to buy BHS, but didn’t reveal what went wrong.
Chappell placing blame heavily on SPG who resisted sale to Mike Ashley "he went insane" and called in his £35m loan tipping company over
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12.36pm BST
12:36
Chappell: I made a profit on BHS
Iain Wright, chair of the BIS committee, turns to the money which Chappell’s Retail Acquisition took out of BHS.
Q: Given BHS needed working capital, why were you taking money out?
These were fees that we had incurred in the course of the deal.
Q: How much have you taken out?
I’ll give you a full outline on a spreadsheet
Q: Give us a flavour now, please
No. You can have it as soon as practically possible....
Q: So have you made a profit?
Yes, I have made a profit, Chappell confirms. But he did work on this business for the last 13 months, incurring substantial fees. So he feels he earned the profit.
Q: How do you feel about the 11,000 people who are losing their jobs?
Devastated, Chappell replies.
He then promises to also give details on how much he received personally.
12.29pm BST
12:29
Reminder, you can watch Dominic Chappell’s testimony at the top of this blog. It’s also being streamed here.
12.28pm BST
12:28
Here’s a video clip of the jaw-dropping moment this morning, when the CEO of BHS claimed Chappell had threatened to kill him after he spotted a £1.5m transfer out of the company.
BHS chief executive: Dominic Chappell threatened to kill me – video https://t.co/ophaDLHayF pic.twitter.com/lCFn0g0OQX
12.25pm BST
12:25
Chappell talks about the “enormous lack of investment” at BHS during Green’s tenure - saying some stores had no heating.
And he blames the rows over BHS’s pension deficit for scuppering his hopes of recruiting a chairman who actually understood retail.
12.23pm BST
12:23
"I was very open we knew nothing about retail" Chappell - the man who bought BHS. "We bought into management's plan"
"We knew nothing about retailing. We weren't claiming to be retailers," Chappell says
12.20pm BST
12:20
On the negotiations with Green, Dominic Chappell says he told the Arcadia boss about his past - including that he had been declared bankrupt in the past (twice, I believe...)
Q: Did he know about your lack of retail experience?
I was very open, Chappell insists. We know nothing about retail.
12.18pm BST
12:18
Chappell: Green thought we'd fail
Q: Do you think Sir Philip Green set you up to fail by selling BHS?
Philip genuinely thought we would fail, Chappell claims.
He claims that the Arcadia boss was hostile to the property CVA which was agreed this year, which lowered BHS’s rental costs.
He also takes a pop at Michael Hitchcock (who called Chappell a premier league liar this morning), claiming the former finance officer didn’t deliver.
Hitchcock came in and made a lot of noise that he’d deal with the landlords....He’s a man of many words and very little delivery.
12.15pm BST
12:15
Chappell losing temper "I'm sorry I was involved in the deal, you weren't" as MPs try to gain clarity on murky financing and promised