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Tony Abbott suggests the mining industry should demonstrate their gratitude to Ian Macfarlane – politics live Tony Abbott suggests the mining industry should demonstrate their gratitude to Ian Macfarlane – politics live
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Politics this lunch time
This morning has run like a careening bus, so let’s stop for a minute and take stock, even though the bus continues to swerve around us.
Today, Thursday:
Onwards, upwards.
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If you’d like to view that exchange.If you’d like to view that exchange.
.@EwenJonesMP crashes @CliveFPalmer's press conference. Full argument ensues. #auspol @SBSNewshttps://t.co/JiKhIt6mPm.@EwenJonesMP crashes @CliveFPalmer's press conference. Full argument ensues. #auspol @SBSNewshttps://t.co/JiKhIt6mPm
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The Clive Palmer circus has touched down in another parliamentary courtyard. There are evidently more Senate candidates to announce. But the member for Herbert Ewen Jones has joined the spectacle today and decides to engage in a little sledging from the sidelines. Queensland Nickel is in his electorate.The Clive Palmer circus has touched down in another parliamentary courtyard. There are evidently more Senate candidates to announce. But the member for Herbert Ewen Jones has joined the spectacle today and decides to engage in a little sledging from the sidelines. Queensland Nickel is in his electorate.
Ewen Jones:Ewen Jones:
When are you giving back the money that’s gone to Palmer United from Queensland Nickel? What about the purchases you have made?When are you giving back the money that’s gone to Palmer United from Queensland Nickel? What about the purchases you have made?
Clive Palmer:Clive Palmer:
None of that is true.None of that is true.
Ewen Jones:Ewen Jones:
It is true.It is true.
Clive Palmer:Clive Palmer:
Of course it’s not true. You are just desperate to lose your seat.Of course it’s not true. You are just desperate to lose your seat.
Ewen Jones:Ewen Jones:
If I lose my seat ..If I lose my seat ..
Clive Palmer:Clive Palmer:
You know they spoke to you in October - I spoke to you in October and you told me to get stuffed, the government wouldn’t put any money in. That was in 2015.You know they spoke to you in October - I spoke to you in October and you told me to get stuffed, the government wouldn’t put any money in. That was in 2015.
Ewen Jones:Ewen Jones:
This is your company, Clive.This is your company, Clive.
Clive Palmer:Clive Palmer:
The Australian government is a disgrace. There’s 14,000 workers in Whyalla, why don’t you go down there and get the government to stop those people losing their jobs.The Australian government is a disgrace. There’s 14,000 workers in Whyalla, why don’t you go down there and get the government to stop those people losing their jobs.
Ewen Jones:Ewen Jones:
I am looking after Townsville.I am looking after Townsville.
Clive Palmer:Clive Palmer:
You are looking after yourself, nobody else. You don’t look after anybody else and you will soon be unemployed.You are looking after yourself, nobody else. You don’t look after anybody else and you will soon be unemployed.
Ewen Jones:Ewen Jones:
And unemployable. I am happy to be unemployed. I am happy to be unemployed if it means you ...And unemployable. I am happy to be unemployed. I am happy to be unemployed if it means you ...
One of the new Palmer candidates, to Jones:One of the new Palmer candidates, to Jones:
Goodbye, Ewen.Goodbye, Ewen.
Would you like a tissue?Would you like a tissue?
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Paul KarpPaul Karp
Still in other chambers, finance officials have revealed that taking university fee deregulation out of the budget has saved $1.5bn, because the government will be lending less in HELP debt as a result.Still in other chambers, finance officials have revealed that taking university fee deregulation out of the budget has saved $1.5bn, because the government will be lending less in HELP debt as a result.
Deferring removal of the student loan fees by a year will save about $0.5bn.Deferring removal of the student loan fees by a year will save about $0.5bn.
Labor’s Penny Wong asked for a breakdown for savings, but the finance minister Mathias Cormann directed further questions to the education portfolio. “Why don’t you just say ‘because we’re cutting funding from universities?” Wong asked.Labor’s Penny Wong asked for a breakdown for savings, but the finance minister Mathias Cormann directed further questions to the education portfolio. “Why don’t you just say ‘because we’re cutting funding from universities?” Wong asked.
(A direct answer to a direct question? Dream on - this is a committee.)(A direct answer to a direct question? Dream on - this is a committee.)
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In other chambers, the president of the the Australian human rights commission, Professor Gillian Triggs, has told Senate estimates this morning asylum seekers and refugees on Manus Island and Nauru should be moved to a “safer place”.In other chambers, the president of the the Australian human rights commission, Professor Gillian Triggs, has told Senate estimates this morning asylum seekers and refugees on Manus Island and Nauru should be moved to a “safer place”.
“Our position at the AHRC is that because of the prolonged detention on these two islands, the failure to provide a durable solution or settlement, coupled with the particularly poor and dangerous conditions, means that they must be moved to a safer place for settlement,” Triggs told an estimates hearing this morning.“Our position at the AHRC is that because of the prolonged detention on these two islands, the failure to provide a durable solution or settlement, coupled with the particularly poor and dangerous conditions, means that they must be moved to a safer place for settlement,” Triggs told an estimates hearing this morning.
Her comments follow a call from the United Nations high commissioner for refugees for those held in Australia’s offshore detention regime to be moved to “humane conditions”. Two refugees on Nauru have self-immolated in the past eight days. And last week, PNG’s Supreme Court ruled that the detention on Manus Island is illegal and must be ended.Her comments follow a call from the United Nations high commissioner for refugees for those held in Australia’s offshore detention regime to be moved to “humane conditions”. Two refugees on Nauru have self-immolated in the past eight days. And last week, PNG’s Supreme Court ruled that the detention on Manus Island is illegal and must be ended.
Asked if a safer place for settlement meant moving people to Australia, Triggs said matters of policy were for the government to decide, but that Australia “seems to be a logical step particularly in light of the Supreme Court decision”.Asked if a safer place for settlement meant moving people to Australia, Triggs said matters of policy were for the government to decide, but that Australia “seems to be a logical step particularly in light of the Supreme Court decision”.
Among broader concerns for the physical safety and mental health of those in offshore detention, Triggs said she was particularly concerned for homosexual people on Manus and Nauru, where homosexuality is illegal.Among broader concerns for the physical safety and mental health of those in offshore detention, Triggs said she was particularly concerned for homosexual people on Manus and Nauru, where homosexuality is illegal.
“A particular couple on Nauru, we are told, are fearful of leaving their living quarters because they are fearful of being attacked. For people of a different sexual orientation, it is a difficult, distressing and potentially dangerous situation.”“A particular couple on Nauru, we are told, are fearful of leaving their living quarters because they are fearful of being attacked. For people of a different sexual orientation, it is a difficult, distressing and potentially dangerous situation.”
Australia sending homosexual people to a place where they could face violence, discrimination, criminal charges, or persecution for their sexuality could be regarded as ‘refoulement’, a breach of Australia’s international legal obligations, Triggs said.Australia sending homosexual people to a place where they could face violence, discrimination, criminal charges, or persecution for their sexuality could be regarded as ‘refoulement’, a breach of Australia’s international legal obligations, Triggs said.
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Given I was highly truncated in my coverage of the Turnbull interview to ensure we got across the full range of issues – I skipped through to the nub which was the medium-term outlook – it is actually worth posting the full section on company tax costings, just so you get the full journey, which was, as noted, somewhat inelegant.Given I was highly truncated in my coverage of the Turnbull interview to ensure we got across the full range of issues – I skipped through to the nub which was the medium-term outlook – it is actually worth posting the full section on company tax costings, just so you get the full journey, which was, as noted, somewhat inelegant.
SPEERS: So, the company tax plan: what is it going to cost over 10 years?SPEERS: So, the company tax plan: what is it going to cost over 10 years?
TURNBULL: Well we have not – the Treasury has not identified the dollar cost of that particular item.TURNBULL: Well we have not – the Treasury has not identified the dollar cost of that particular item.
SPEERS: What not?SPEERS: What not?
TURNBULL: Let me just go on. What is has does is set out a medium-term outlook in which, which takes account of the company tax cut and of course all the other tax arrangements. So, it takes a number of assumptions including the 10-year cuts to company tax which at the end of that period sees all companies paying 25% tax and as you can see from the budget papers is shows the budget returning to balance which is where is should be. Which is where we seek to bring it.TURNBULL: Let me just go on. What is has does is set out a medium-term outlook in which, which takes account of the company tax cut and of course all the other tax arrangements. So, it takes a number of assumptions including the 10-year cuts to company tax which at the end of that period sees all companies paying 25% tax and as you can see from the budget papers is shows the budget returning to balance which is where is should be. Which is where we seek to bring it.
SPEERS: What price? This cut to company tax. I mean surely you’ve modelled this, there’s need some consideration on what it costs?SPEERS: What price? This cut to company tax. I mean surely you’ve modelled this, there’s need some consideration on what it costs?
TURNBULL: The Treasury has modelled that.TURNBULL: The Treasury has modelled that.
SPEERS: So, what’s the cost?SPEERS: So, what’s the cost?
TURNBULL: Well the Treasury has modelled that and set out in the budget, showing in the medium-term outcome.TURNBULL: Well the Treasury has modelled that and set out in the budget, showing in the medium-term outcome.
SPEERS: I’m asking about the 10-year – you put a 10-year plan in the budget, what’s the cost?SPEERS: I’m asking about the 10-year – you put a 10-year plan in the budget, what’s the cost?
TURNBULL: All of those costs are taken into account in the medium-term outlook and it’s set out.TURNBULL: All of those costs are taken into account in the medium-term outlook and it’s set out.
SPEERS: What is the cost?SPEERS: What is the cost?
TURNBULL: Well, it’s set out there. You can see the outcome.TURNBULL: Well, it’s set out there. You can see the outcome.
SPEERS: I can’t see it in the budget?SPEERS: I can’t see it in the budget?
TURNBULL: You can.TURNBULL: You can.
SPEERS: What the 10-year figure is.SPEERS: What the 10-year figure is.
TURNBULL: You can see it there. The budget outcome, the balance over to 26-27 is set out there on page 3-11 on budget paper 1.TURNBULL: You can see it there. The budget outcome, the balance over to 26-27 is set out there on page 3-11 on budget paper 1.
SPEERS: And what’s the figure?SPEERS: And what’s the figure?
TURNBULL: Well you can see it there. It shows the budget returning to balance.TURNBULL: Well you can see it there. It shows the budget returning to balance.
SPEERS: Doesn’t say what the cost is though, not the budget returning to balance. What’s the cost of your company tax plan?SPEERS: Doesn’t say what the cost is though, not the budget returning to balance. What’s the cost of your company tax plan?
TURNBULL: The cost of the plan is set out in the medium-term outlook and shows the budget returning to balance.TURNBULL: The cost of the plan is set out in the medium-term outlook and shows the budget returning to balance.
SPEERS: So what is it? I don’t understand what the cost is? What’s it going to cost taxpayers to cut the company tax rate to 25%?SPEERS: So what is it? I don’t understand what the cost is? What’s it going to cost taxpayers to cut the company tax rate to 25%?
TURNBULL: Well, what it ensures is that we’ll have stronger jobs and growth. David, you’re asking for a ...TURNBULL: Well, what it ensures is that we’ll have stronger jobs and growth. David, you’re asking for a ...
SPEERS: Dollar figure.SPEERS: Dollar figure.
TURNBULL: No, look lets be quite clear. What the Treasury does and every budget does this, is set out very detailed itemised assumptions over four years. Ok, that’s why they’re called the forward estimates. And then they make their assumptions going out for 10 years and they set out what they call the mediu- term outlook and that medium-term outlook takes into account assumptions which include the 10-year enterprise tax plan which will drive jobs and growth over those 10 years. And is clearly affordable, lives within our means.TURNBULL: No, look lets be quite clear. What the Treasury does and every budget does this, is set out very detailed itemised assumptions over four years. Ok, that’s why they’re called the forward estimates. And then they make their assumptions going out for 10 years and they set out what they call the mediu- term outlook and that medium-term outlook takes into account assumptions which include the 10-year enterprise tax plan which will drive jobs and growth over those 10 years. And is clearly affordable, lives within our means.
SPEERS: Well how do we know it’s affordable? How is it clearly affordable, what does it afford, what does it cost? It’s pretty simple question, prime minister.SPEERS: Well how do we know it’s affordable? How is it clearly affordable, what does it afford, what does it cost? It’s pretty simple question, prime minister.
TURNBULL: David, what you’re asking is …TURNBULL: David, what you’re asking is …
SPEERS: The cost …SPEERS: The cost …
TURNBULL: ... for me to unpick every single line item of those assumptions going out to 26-27 and the budget papers do not do that –TURNBULL: ... for me to unpick every single line item of those assumptions going out to 26-27 and the budget papers do not do that –
SPEERS: I’m not, I’m just asking what the overall cost is. This is not a difficult question.SPEERS: I’m not, I’m just asking what the overall cost is. This is not a difficult question.
TURNBULL: David. David, I’m not going to add to the detail that is in the budget papers, and the budget papers set out.TURNBULL: David. David, I’m not going to add to the detail that is in the budget papers, and the budget papers set out.
SPEERS: Then why put a 10-year plan in the budget papers? Why not just put the four-year plan in the budget papers?SPEERS: Then why put a 10-year plan in the budget papers? Why not just put the four-year plan in the budget papers?
TURNBULL: Because what we, well, the budget papers set out a medium-term outlook and they do that every budget. And they make assumptions about tax rates, they make assumptions about GDP, they make assumptions about commodity prices. And of course, the further out they go, you know, the, the, there is a – the longer, further out you forecast, there is more uncertainty. One of the certain assumptions that is in the medium-term outlook is of course the policy which will be legislated to reduce company tax, down to 25% over 10 years.TURNBULL: Because what we, well, the budget papers set out a medium-term outlook and they do that every budget. And they make assumptions about tax rates, they make assumptions about GDP, they make assumptions about commodity prices. And of course, the further out they go, you know, the, the, there is a – the longer, further out you forecast, there is more uncertainty. One of the certain assumptions that is in the medium-term outlook is of course the policy which will be legislated to reduce company tax, down to 25% over 10 years.
SPEERS: The economist Chris Richardson reckons it’s about $55bn …SPEERS: The economist Chris Richardson reckons it’s about $55bn …
TURNBULL: Well look, he may well may be right. He may well be right. He may well be right in the dollars of 26-27. I mean, again, this is, you see. People can –TURNBULL: Well look, he may well may be right. He may well be right. He may well be right in the dollars of 26-27. I mean, again, this is, you see. People can –
SPEERS: Let’s talk about today’s dollars before people get too confused on, in factoring in inflation. But $55bn is about right?SPEERS: Let’s talk about today’s dollars before people get too confused on, in factoring in inflation. But $55bn is about right?
TURNBULL: No, I’m not. I don’t, look. What I’m saying to you is, we know what it will cost over the forward estimates, which is in excess of $5bn as Scott Morrison has said. And economists like Chris Richardson can make assumptions and they can, you know, work them out and they can forecast them just as the Treasury has done, but what the Treasury does, and this is, I’ve got to be very clear about this, they do this every year. We’re not doing anything differently. They provide very detailed, itemised assumptions over four years and then they say, ‘Our best forecast of what the budget is going to look like over the decade, over the medium-term outlook is as follows, and you can see there it sets out –TURNBULL: No, I’m not. I don’t, look. What I’m saying to you is, we know what it will cost over the forward estimates, which is in excess of $5bn as Scott Morrison has said. And economists like Chris Richardson can make assumptions and they can, you know, work them out and they can forecast them just as the Treasury has done, but what the Treasury does, and this is, I’ve got to be very clear about this, they do this every year. We’re not doing anything differently. They provide very detailed, itemised assumptions over four years and then they say, ‘Our best forecast of what the budget is going to look like over the decade, over the medium-term outlook is as follows, and you can see there it sets out –
SPEERS: But you’re the one who has made this 10-year commitment and you’ve put it in the budget –SPEERS: But you’re the one who has made this 10-year commitment and you’ve put it in the budget –
TURNBULL: Can I just say to you, I’m not confirming or commenting on Chris Richardson other than to say, he’s a former Treasury economist and no doubt you should heed what his advice is. It may or may not be correct.TURNBULL: Can I just say to you, I’m not confirming or commenting on Chris Richardson other than to say, he’s a former Treasury economist and no doubt you should heed what his advice is. It may or may not be correct.
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Show us the money, prime ministerShow us the money, prime minister
Down in the House, Labor is going to town on this morning’s Sky interview with the prime minister, which was, as they say in the classics, untidy.Down in the House, Labor is going to town on this morning’s Sky interview with the prime minister, which was, as they say in the classics, untidy.
The shadow treasurer Chris Bowen has moved that the House notes that “in an extraordinary interview with David Speers on Sky News this morning”:The shadow treasurer Chris Bowen has moved that the House notes that “in an extraordinary interview with David Speers on Sky News this morning”:
The motion condemns the prime minister ..The motion condemns the prime minister ..
The government has gagged the motion. They are voting now.The government has gagged the motion. They are voting now.
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All today needed was a bit of George W Bush and Paula and the bounty of the internet delivers.All today needed was a bit of George W Bush and Paula and the bounty of the internet delivers.
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One of the many reasons to love the Canberra political blogger Paula Matthewson.One of the many reasons to love the Canberra political blogger Paula Matthewson.
Oops, found this as I was looking for a budget image https://t.co/D1b8sIY1fQ ping @murpharoo pic.twitter.com/tJqDW34vOwOops, found this as I was looking for a budget image https://t.co/D1b8sIY1fQ ping @murpharoo pic.twitter.com/tJqDW34vOw
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Downstairs, the Labor leader Bill Shorten is giving the colleagues a pep talk ahead of tonight’s budget in reply speech. From the context of the remarks I suspect Shorten is at the Labor women’s caucus but I don’t know that for sure.Downstairs, the Labor leader Bill Shorten is giving the colleagues a pep talk ahead of tonight’s budget in reply speech. From the context of the remarks I suspect Shorten is at the Labor women’s caucus but I don’t know that for sure.
Bill Shorten:Bill Shorten:
Today is not an election launch ... but what I can promise this group is when it comes to the unequal treatment of women, we understand them.Today is not an election launch ... but what I can promise this group is when it comes to the unequal treatment of women, we understand them.
What the conservatives pigeon hole as ‘women’s issues’ are all our issues.What the conservatives pigeon hole as ‘women’s issues’ are all our issues.
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Paul KarpPaul Karp
Finance department officials have confirmed, meanwhile, in Senate estimates that they didn’t begin drawing up timetable changes to move the budget a week forward to 3 May until the prime minister announced it on 21 March. Officials said they began to think about the move because of public speculation but didn’t change the timetable until the government had made a decision.Finance department officials have confirmed, meanwhile, in Senate estimates that they didn’t begin drawing up timetable changes to move the budget a week forward to 3 May until the prime minister announced it on 21 March. Officials said they began to think about the move because of public speculation but didn’t change the timetable until the government had made a decision.
Finance minister Mathias Cormann, at the table, also won’t answer the question about whether he knew the budget had been moved to 3 May before the prime minister announced it. (You might remember Scott Morrison was caught somewhat on the hop.)Finance minister Mathias Cormann, at the table, also won’t answer the question about whether he knew the budget had been moved to 3 May before the prime minister announced it. (You might remember Scott Morrison was caught somewhat on the hop.)
Mathias Cormann:Mathias Cormann:
I was aware the budget would be on 3 May on the day the announcement was made.I was aware the budget would be on 3 May on the day the announcement was made.
Senator Penny Wong asked repeatedly if Cormann knew before Turnbull announced it, and said it was a “little embarrassing” he would not confirm he knew before. Cormann repeated formulations he was aware “on the day” it was announced.Senator Penny Wong asked repeatedly if Cormann knew before Turnbull announced it, and said it was a “little embarrassing” he would not confirm he knew before. Cormann repeated formulations he was aware “on the day” it was announced.
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Tony Abbott, in one, off-the-cuff speech (that was meant to be about reflecting on the manifest glory of the Abbott years), making a compelling case for a federal integrity body.Tony Abbott, in one, off-the-cuff speech (that was meant to be about reflecting on the manifest glory of the Abbott years), making a compelling case for a federal integrity body.
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Abbott: it gets worseAbbott: it gets worse
Gabrielle ChanGabrielle Chan
While we are all still digesting Tony Abbott’s comments on Ian Macfarlane, there was a little nugget from his speech that we haven’t yet covered.While we are all still digesting Tony Abbott’s comments on Ian Macfarlane, there was a little nugget from his speech that we haven’t yet covered.
The former prime minister in the adjournment debate was also singing the praises of the integrity of the retiring Liberal senator Bill Heffernan as “the only member of this parliament I have ever met who never sought promotion”.The former prime minister in the adjournment debate was also singing the praises of the integrity of the retiring Liberal senator Bill Heffernan as “the only member of this parliament I have ever met who never sought promotion”.
Abbott then moved to a personal anecdote. He told the parliament that as a “relatively new member of parliament”, he was invited to drinks by a well-known millionaire.Abbott then moved to a personal anecdote. He told the parliament that as a “relatively new member of parliament”, he was invited to drinks by a well-known millionaire.
Tony Abbott:Tony Abbott:
As I was leaving he gave me an envelope and said, ‘That’s your Christmas present. When I opened it up it contained $5,000 in cash. I can tell you, the Abbott family in those days could have used that money, but it did not feel right. I rang Bill Heffernan for his advice and he said, ‘Once bought, always bought. Give it back and say to that person, “Please write out a cheque for the campaign.”’As I was leaving he gave me an envelope and said, ‘That’s your Christmas present. When I opened it up it contained $5,000 in cash. I can tell you, the Abbott family in those days could have used that money, but it did not feel right. I rang Bill Heffernan for his advice and he said, ‘Once bought, always bought. Give it back and say to that person, “Please write out a cheque for the campaign.”’
There are two things about this story.There are two things about this story.
The first is the spectre of politicians being offered envelopes full of cash. What for? We don’t know. But remember he is talking about an experience at the beginning of this career. Not at its height.The first is the spectre of politicians being offered envelopes full of cash. What for? We don’t know. But remember he is talking about an experience at the beginning of this career. Not at its height.
The other is that while the cash was rejected, the “softer path” is to make a donation as a party donation. That is, the knowledge of an potential expectation tied to a specific member can be attached to a particular apparently generic donation made out to a political party.The other is that while the cash was rejected, the “softer path” is to make a donation as a party donation. That is, the knowledge of an potential expectation tied to a specific member can be attached to a particular apparently generic donation made out to a political party.
If you want to feel just a bit sick, think about that.If you want to feel just a bit sick, think about that.
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David Speers has moved on to housing. What about housing prices in Sydney? Turnbull says this is a supply side question. The answer to housing affordability is not Labor’s negative gearing policy. That will smash the housing market, Turnbull says.David Speers has moved on to housing. What about housing prices in Sydney? Turnbull says this is a supply side question. The answer to housing affordability is not Labor’s negative gearing policy. That will smash the housing market, Turnbull says.
Speers then moves to the super changes in the budget, and how they might encourage wealthy people to redirect money out of super and towards negatively geared housing investments. Turnbull says super remains a very attractive investment.Speers then moves to the super changes in the budget, and how they might encourage wealthy people to redirect money out of super and towards negatively geared housing investments. Turnbull says super remains a very attractive investment.
Q: You don’t think they’ll be taking huge amounts of money out of superannuation?Q: You don’t think they’ll be taking huge amounts of money out of superannuation?
Malcolm Turnbull:Malcolm Turnbull:
Super will remain a very attractive investment.Super will remain a very attractive investment.
Q: What are your plans for Sunday? Will you be visiting the governor general on Sunday?Q: What are your plans for Sunday? Will you be visiting the governor general on Sunday?
Turnbull says he’ll be visiting the governor general “shortly” and there will be an election on 2 July.Turnbull says he’ll be visiting the governor general “shortly” and there will be an election on 2 July.
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