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| Senate debates same-sex marriage motion – as it happened | Senate debates same-sex marriage motion – as it happened |
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| 9.17am BST | 9.17am BST |
| 09:17 | 09:17 |
| So long, farewell | So long, farewell |
| They are still talking in the Senate about same sex marriage but the day needs to end for me now. A big thanks for your company throughout the parliamentary week. It’s been mildly surreal, as it so often is. The week, not your company. That utterly delightful Gabrielle Chan will be back driving the Politics Live bus next week. | They are still talking in the Senate about same sex marriage but the day needs to end for me now. A big thanks for your company throughout the parliamentary week. It’s been mildly surreal, as it so often is. The week, not your company. That utterly delightful Gabrielle Chan will be back driving the Politics Live bus next week. |
| So today, Thursday: | So today, Thursday: |
| That’s the main things. | That’s the main things. |
| Have a lovely evening, and I’ll see you real soon. | Have a lovely evening, and I’ll see you real soon. |
| 8.49am BST | 8.49am BST |
| 08:49 | 08:49 |
| Why should I not be able to attend the marriages of both my sons? | Why should I not be able to attend the marriages of both my sons? |
| This is Green Christine Milne, who has a gay son and a straight son. She references people’s observations in tonight’s debate about the value of their “traditional” marriages. Milne says she’s very glad people have happy marriages but that doesn’t give anyone the right to discriminate against same sex marriage. | This is Green Christine Milne, who has a gay son and a straight son. She references people’s observations in tonight’s debate about the value of their “traditional” marriages. Milne says she’s very glad people have happy marriages but that doesn’t give anyone the right to discriminate against same sex marriage. |
| 8.39am BST | 8.39am BST |
| 08:39 | 08:39 |
| Labor senator Doug Cameron is an atheist. He’d like to focus on the role of churches in denying rights to one section of the Australian community. He says equal marriage is a simple discrimination issue – it’s not about what happened recently in Ireland, or Spain or anywhere else. He says churches are trying to stop parliamentarians from advancing human rights for all Australians. This is wrong. | Labor senator Doug Cameron is an atheist. He’d like to focus on the role of churches in denying rights to one section of the Australian community. He says equal marriage is a simple discrimination issue – it’s not about what happened recently in Ireland, or Spain or anywhere else. He says churches are trying to stop parliamentarians from advancing human rights for all Australians. This is wrong. |
| 8.21am BST | 8.21am BST |
| 08:21 | 08:21 |
| Labor senator Sue Lines is a yes to marriage equality. | Labor senator Sue Lines is a yes to marriage equality. |
| Crossbencher Ricky Muir is speaking now. Muir is a yes vote as well. He points to the alarmingly high statistics for youth suicide, alienation, depression. | Crossbencher Ricky Muir is speaking now. Muir is a yes vote as well. He points to the alarmingly high statistics for youth suicide, alienation, depression. |
| We are not all the same and all people have the right to live their lives without judgment. | We are not all the same and all people have the right to live their lives without judgment. |
| I like to live my own live without judment, and I like to return the favour. | I like to live my own live without judment, and I like to return the favour. |
| 8.05am BST | 8.05am BST |
| 08:05 | 08:05 |
| O’Sullivan says he supports his party’s policy that marriage is between a man and a woman, and he says that should not change. | O’Sullivan says he supports his party’s policy that marriage is between a man and a woman, and he says that should not change. |
| 7.56am BST | 7.56am BST |
| 07:56 | 07:56 |
| Liberal senator Barry O’Sullivan is making a contribution now. He references anxiety in the community about this issue. O’Sullivan says he’s motivated by faith, but you can also be driven by an argument of nature. | Liberal senator Barry O’Sullivan is making a contribution now. He references anxiety in the community about this issue. O’Sullivan says he’s motivated by faith, but you can also be driven by an argument of nature. |
| A child cannot be delivered without the union of a man and a woman. | A child cannot be delivered without the union of a man and a woman. |
| O’Sullivan acknowledges that a child in the custody of two same gendered adults can be well nurtured. But he says children have a right to have parents of two different genders. | O’Sullivan acknowledges that a child in the custody of two same gendered adults can be well nurtured. But he says children have a right to have parents of two different genders. |
| (The Greens aren’t very happy with this line of reasoning. O’Sullivan isn’t happy with their displeasure.) | (The Greens aren’t very happy with this line of reasoning. O’Sullivan isn’t happy with their displeasure.) |
| 7.45am BST | 7.45am BST |
| 07:45 | 07:45 |
| Daniel Hurst | Daniel Hurst |
| Janet Rice says the successful marriage-equality referendum in Ireland was “an incredible turning point for our collective humanity”. | Janet Rice says the successful marriage-equality referendum in Ireland was “an incredible turning point for our collective humanity”. |
| Yet for me and us here in Australia it was a stark reminder of how far behind we are. | Yet for me and us here in Australia it was a stark reminder of how far behind we are. |
| We know that it is love that makes a family, not biology. | We know that it is love that makes a family, not biology. |
| 7.43am BST | 7.43am BST |
| 07:43 | 07:43 |
| The red room has moved on to a marriage equality debate this afternoon. | The red room has moved on to a marriage equality debate this afternoon. |
| Green senator Rachel Siewert has proposed this motion: | Green senator Rachel Siewert has proposed this motion: |
| That the Senate affirms that people should be able to marry the person they love, in accordance with the principles of equality and personal freedom, to end discrimination, and to support the mental health and wellbeing of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex Australians and their families. | That the Senate affirms that people should be able to marry the person they love, in accordance with the principles of equality and personal freedom, to end discrimination, and to support the mental health and wellbeing of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex Australians and their families. |
| Green senator Janet Rice is speaking to it now. | Green senator Janet Rice is speaking to it now. |
| 7.35am BST | 7.35am BST |
| 07:35 | 07:35 |
| PDuddy wins today’s energiser bunny award. The immigration minister is on Sky News now – his fourth outing today I think about citizenship. | PDuddy wins today’s energiser bunny award. The immigration minister is on Sky News now – his fourth outing today I think about citizenship. |
| Peter Dutton would like his interviewer, political editor David Speers, to get away from process and focus on intentions. | Peter Dutton would like his interviewer, political editor David Speers, to get away from process and focus on intentions. |
| David Speers wants to stick with process. Dutton would like him to wait until next week, when the legislation appears. Speers isn’t that keen to wait but there’s only so many times you can ask politely for an answer your interview subject has no intention of giving you. | David Speers wants to stick with process. Dutton would like him to wait until next week, when the legislation appears. Speers isn’t that keen to wait but there’s only so many times you can ask politely for an answer your interview subject has no intention of giving you. |
| Q: Was rolling out the red carpet to terrorists just a bit of rhetoric? | Q: Was rolling out the red carpet to terrorists just a bit of rhetoric? |
| No, I think it was a very apt point by the prime minister. | No, I think it was a very apt point by the prime minister. |
| 7.26am BST | 7.26am BST |
| 07:26 | 07:26 |
| Shorten to front the royal commission on 8 July | Shorten to front the royal commission on 8 July |
| While the select committee has been attempting to hold big wind at bay, the royal commission into trade unions has summonsed the leader of the opposition. | While the select committee has been attempting to hold big wind at bay, the royal commission into trade unions has summonsed the leader of the opposition. |
| Here’s the statement that’s just been issued. | Here’s the statement that’s just been issued. |
| Commissioner Dyson Heydon today issued a summons for the Honourable William Shorten to appear before him on Wednesday 8 July 2015. | Commissioner Dyson Heydon today issued a summons for the Honourable William Shorten to appear before him on Wednesday 8 July 2015. |
| The commissioner has agreed to a request from lawyers representing Mr Shorten to bring forward the date of his proposed appearance from August/September. The commission’s preference had been to address all matters concerning Mr Shorten in one sitting. However, given Mr Shorten’s request to bring his examination forward by several months, this will now not be possible. | The commissioner has agreed to a request from lawyers representing Mr Shorten to bring forward the date of his proposed appearance from August/September. The commission’s preference had been to address all matters concerning Mr Shorten in one sitting. However, given Mr Shorten’s request to bring his examination forward by several months, this will now not be possible. |
| The hearing will be pursuant to Practice Direction 1, which means Mr Shorten will initially only be examined by Counsel Assisting. Any person affected by Mr Shorten’s evidence will be able to apply for authorisation to cross examine him at a later date. | The hearing will be pursuant to Practice Direction 1, which means Mr Shorten will initially only be examined by Counsel Assisting. Any person affected by Mr Shorten’s evidence will be able to apply for authorisation to cross examine him at a later date. |
| 7.22am BST | 7.22am BST |
| 07:22 | 07:22 |
| I’m always grateful to the generous Politics Live extended family who tend to kick in when it’s obvious I’m beginning to run on back up battery power. | I’m always grateful to the generous Politics Live extended family who tend to kick in when it’s obvious I’m beginning to run on back up battery power. |
| @murpharoo Wind farm interim report now tabled http://t.co/H8Suh10w19 | @murpharoo Wind farm interim report now tabled http://t.co/H8Suh10w19 |
| Hat tip to Paula. | Hat tip to Paula. |
| Given windfarms are the story of the afternoon, here are the recommendations of the select committee on wind turbines interim report. Best posted without comment. Just imagine me, with my eyebrows burrowing up into my hairline. | Given windfarms are the story of the afternoon, here are the recommendations of the select committee on wind turbines interim report. Best posted without comment. Just imagine me, with my eyebrows burrowing up into my hairline. |
| Enjoy. | Enjoy. |
| 7.10am BST | 7.10am BST |
| 07:10 | 07:10 |
| You've been Turnbulled | You've been Turnbulled |
| Bit more superb from Mikearoo – here’s Malcolm Turnbull, a couple of seconds after the prime minister turned Turnbull back in question time. Checking for reactions. | Bit more superb from Mikearoo – here’s Malcolm Turnbull, a couple of seconds after the prime minister turned Turnbull back in question time. Checking for reactions. |
| 7.03am BST | 7.03am BST |
| 07:03 | 07:03 |
| Thank you for your patience while I accessed some hot herbs. While I brewed a pot of calming camomile I discovered that Lenore’s windfarm commissioner story has sparked a hashtag #allthecommissioners If you need a moment in your happy place have a look – some funny suggestions. | Thank you for your patience while I accessed some hot herbs. While I brewed a pot of calming camomile I discovered that Lenore’s windfarm commissioner story has sparked a hashtag #allthecommissioners If you need a moment in your happy place have a look – some funny suggestions. |
| 6.30am BST | 6.30am BST |
| 06:30 | 06:30 |
| Question time is a wrap. I’m dying for a cup of tea and then there’s a million things to catch up on before powering forward into the evening. | Question time is a wrap. I’m dying for a cup of tea and then there’s a million things to catch up on before powering forward into the evening. |
| So much still before us, blogans. | So much still before us, blogans. |
| 6.19am BST | 6.19am BST |
| 06:19 | 06:19 |
| Some vision of the prime minister getting in touch with his inner Freud | Some vision of the prime minister getting in touch with his inner Freud |
| 6.13am BST | 6.13am BST |
| 06:13 | 06:13 |
| #StopBigWind | #StopBigWind |
| Speaking of red faces, and while the industry minister is talking about science, I can advise that my colleague Lenore Taylor has unearthed a corker of a story associated with the RET deal playing out in the Senate. | Speaking of red faces, and while the industry minister is talking about science, I can advise that my colleague Lenore Taylor has unearthed a corker of a story associated with the RET deal playing out in the Senate. |
| The Abbott government will appoint a “windfarm commissioner” to handle complaints about turbine noise and a new scientific committee to investigate, again, their alleged impacts on human health, in a late-night deal with anti-wind senators over amendments to renewable energy legislation. | The Abbott government will appoint a “windfarm commissioner” to handle complaints about turbine noise and a new scientific committee to investigate, again, their alleged impacts on human health, in a late-night deal with anti-wind senators over amendments to renewable energy legislation. |
| A windfarm commissioner. | A windfarm commissioner. |
| You bet I am. You bet they did. | You bet I am. You bet they did. |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 6.16am BST | at 6.16am BST |
| 6.02am BST | 6.02am BST |
| 06:02 | 06:02 |
| They never did a single Turnbull! | They never did a single Turnbull! |
| The prime minister just meant to say turnback. Boat turnback. Instead, Abbott said Turnbull. | The prime minister just meant to say turnback. Boat turnback. Instead, Abbott said Turnbull. |
| Freudian slip. | Freudian slip. |
| Labor roars laughing. | Labor roars laughing. |
| Abbott says Labor always laughs when its embarrassed. | Abbott says Labor always laughs when its embarrassed. |
| 5.59am BST | 5.59am BST |
| 05:59 | 05:59 |
| Labor’s Richard Marles wants to know why the government is ignoring the former national security legislation monitor, Bret Walker, and misrepresenting his recommendations on citizenship revocations. | Labor’s Richard Marles wants to know why the government is ignoring the former national security legislation monitor, Bret Walker, and misrepresenting his recommendations on citizenship revocations. |
| Walker objected earlier this week to the government’s characterisation of his advice. The former INSLM says it never occurred to him that the government would consider revocation of citizenship in cases where there had been no convictions. | Walker objected earlier this week to the government’s characterisation of his advice. The former INSLM says it never occurred to him that the government would consider revocation of citizenship in cases where there had been no convictions. |
| But the prime minister isn’t having it. The government hasn’t got it wrong, Walker has changed his mind. | But the prime minister isn’t having it. The government hasn’t got it wrong, Walker has changed his mind. |
| Tony Abbott: | Tony Abbott: |
| The former monitor is entitlement to change his mind, and he has changed his mind. | The former monitor is entitlement to change his mind, and he has changed his mind. |
| Abbott says Walker’s advice was a minister be given the revocation power. There was no mention of conviction. | Abbott says Walker’s advice was a minister be given the revocation power. There was no mention of conviction. |
| Nooooo mention. | Nooooo mention. |
| 5.48am BST | 5.48am BST |
| 05:48 | 05:48 |
| It is all absolutely normal. | It is all absolutely normal. |
| The prime minister is still pinned down in process questions about the citizenship package. | The prime minister is still pinned down in process questions about the citizenship package. |