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Labor censures Tony Abbott over alleged payments to people smugglers – question time live Labor censures Tony Abbott over alleged payments to people smugglers – question time live
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3.55pm AEST06:55
Crikey’s Bernard Keane has written some analysis on the legalities of paying people smugglers also. Crikey subscribers can find him here. Here’s a taste.
If Australian officials have bribed people smugglers, they may have breached criminal law, including laws against the funding of terrorism, and have almost certainly breached the law relating to Australian Public Service conduct.
Providing support to people smugglers is an offence under both the Commonwealth Criminal Code and the Migration Act. Section 73.3.A of the Criminal Code, for example, makes it an offence to provide material support or resources to another person or an organisation to engage in conduct constituting the offence of people smuggling. That applies to activities by Australian citizens completely or partly outside Australia, and the penalty is 10 years’ jail.
However, the attorney-general must approve any prosecution — although “a person may be arrested, charged, remanded in custody or released on bail in connection with an offence against this Subdivision before the necessary consent has been given”.
3.44pm AEST06:44
Unlawful, but who controls the investigation?
Just in case it isn’t obvious, the censure failed given the government has the numbers in the House.
While I’ve been documenting fire and brimstone, my colleague Lenore Taylor has been chasing up expert legal views on paying people smugglers.
Here’s what she’s gleaned:
Any Australian officials paying people smugglers to take asylum seekers back to Indonesia may have broken Australian laws carrying potential jail terms of up to 20 years and contravened international law, judicial experts say.
But any domestic investigation of legal breaches would have to be authorised by the government, which is stonewalling all discussion of the explosive claims, refusing to confirm or deny allegations that $30,000 was paid to six people smugglers to return asylum seekers to Indonesia in May.
Phillip Boulten SC, a leading Sydney barrister, and Nicholas Cowdery, a former director of public prosecutions in New South Wales, told Guardian Australia that an Australian paying people smugglers would likely be in breach of the provisions of the Criminal Code outlawing people smuggling, or assisting people-smuggling.
But both pointed to the fact that the government itself would have to initiate and investigate any charges.
“On the face of it someone who pays thousands of dollars to an Indonesian mariner to take refugees back to Indonesia so as to breach Indonesian laws of entry may be breaching the Criminal Code,” Boulten said – including section 73(1), which makes people smuggling an offence, 73(3) dealing with aggravated people smuggling or 73.3A (supporting the offence of people smuggling).
But no such prosecution could be undertaken without the consent of the attorney general, George Brandis, Boulten said, and it could be possible for any person who paid smugglers to use as a defence the fact that they were acting to uphold a separate Australian law.
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That suspension debate in four images from the clever Mikearoo.That suspension debate in four images from the clever Mikearoo.
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Shalailah MedhoraShalailah Medhora
Meanwhile, over in Senate, the attorney general George Brandis has been running the line that the government has broken no laws in enacting its border protection measures.Meanwhile, over in Senate, the attorney general George Brandis has been running the line that the government has broken no laws in enacting its border protection measures.
At all times, Australia has acted within the law.At all times, Australia has acted within the law.
3.12pm AEST06:123.12pm AEST06:12
The immigration minister is going back over Labor’s record in government. All those boats. All those arrivals.The immigration minister is going back over Labor’s record in government. All those boats. All those arrivals.
Peter Dutton:Peter Dutton:
All of this confected outrage today demonstrates that these people opposite, that these people opposite have no capacity to have the guts to stop the people smugglers again. Let me tell you, the people smugglers are lurking in the shadows in Indonesia, across south-east Asia, in the Middle East otherwise waiting, hoping, praying that Bill Shorten will be elected prime minister at the next election.All of this confected outrage today demonstrates that these people opposite, that these people opposite have no capacity to have the guts to stop the people smugglers again. Let me tell you, the people smugglers are lurking in the shadows in Indonesia, across south-east Asia, in the Middle East otherwise waiting, hoping, praying that Bill Shorten will be elected prime minister at the next election.
(Not exactly lurking, if we are to believe the payment allegations. But we digress.)(Not exactly lurking, if we are to believe the payment allegations. But we digress.)
People across the suburbs as we move around the country, people stop us and say Bill Shorten has no capacity when it comes to stopping the boats. All Australians know that. He didn’t have the ticker when he sat around the cabinet table in the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd years. He doesn’t have the ticker now to stand up to the left.People across the suburbs as we move around the country, people stop us and say Bill Shorten has no capacity when it comes to stopping the boats. All Australians know that. He didn’t have the ticker when he sat around the cabinet table in the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd years. He doesn’t have the ticker now to stand up to the left.
Dutton says Shorten is facing a key test at the looming national ALP conference. Can he stand up to a push from the left to prohibit turnbacks? If he can’t win that fight, he’s failed, Dutton says.Dutton says Shorten is facing a key test at the looming national ALP conference. Can he stand up to a push from the left to prohibit turnbacks? If he can’t win that fight, he’s failed, Dutton says.
Ring the bells.Ring the bells.
3.05pm AEST06:053.05pm AEST06:05
Whatever it takes, within the lawWhatever it takes, within the law
Peter Dutton:Peter Dutton:
We have said on this side that under Operation Sovereign Borders we will act within the law, we will meet our international obligations, but in that context, we will do what it takes to keep these people smugglers out of business, and we stand by that statement.We have said on this side that under Operation Sovereign Borders we will act within the law, we will meet our international obligations, but in that context, we will do what it takes to keep these people smugglers out of business, and we stand by that statement.
Absolutely stand by it.Absolutely stand by it.
All of the people in the command structure in Operation Sovereign Borders ... we will do whatever it takes, within the law, to meet our international obligations to stop the people smugglers.All of the people in the command structure in Operation Sovereign Borders ... we will do whatever it takes, within the law, to meet our international obligations to stop the people smugglers.
3.02pm AEST06:023.02pm AEST06:02
Dutton: here's a clear statement – we stopped the boatsDutton: here's a clear statement – we stopped the boats
Immigration minister Peter Dutton.Immigration minister Peter Dutton.
The previous member asked for a clear statement. Here is a clear statement. We stopped the boats. We stopped the boats and they will stay stopped under this government.The previous member asked for a clear statement. Here is a clear statement. We stopped the boats. We stopped the boats and they will stay stopped under this government.
3.01pm AEST06:013.01pm AEST06:01
Shadow immigration minister, Richard Marles, seconding the motion.Shadow immigration minister, Richard Marles, seconding the motion.
Last Tuesday, we had a remarkable allegation surface, that Australian officials had paid people smugglers to take people back to Indonesia. In this area of policy, there are often some pretty amazing claims that are made out there. We tend to take them with a grain of salt and the idea that our government would be paying people smugglers to take people back to Indonesia certainly ranked amongst those proposals which would seem to be utterly outlandish.Last Tuesday, we had a remarkable allegation surface, that Australian officials had paid people smugglers to take people back to Indonesia. In this area of policy, there are often some pretty amazing claims that are made out there. We tend to take them with a grain of salt and the idea that our government would be paying people smugglers to take people back to Indonesia certainly ranked amongst those proposals which would seem to be utterly outlandish.
Not surprisingly, when the question is put to the immigration minister, he answers no. Never happened. Nothing to see here. When the proposition is put to the foreign minister, she reiterates it “No, it never happened, nothing to see here”. I have to say, personally, I heard what they (the ministers) said and I thought that is obviously got to be right because which Australian government would pay people smugglers who turn up next to an Australian navy vessel and send them back to – pay them to take people back to Indonesia?Not surprisingly, when the question is put to the immigration minister, he answers no. Never happened. Nothing to see here. When the proposition is put to the foreign minister, she reiterates it “No, it never happened, nothing to see here”. I have to say, personally, I heard what they (the ministers) said and I thought that is obviously got to be right because which Australian government would pay people smugglers who turn up next to an Australian navy vessel and send them back to – pay them to take people back to Indonesia?
But then, we see an absolutely astounding interview conducted by the prime minister with Neil Mitchell on Friday, where when these allegations were put to the PM, rather than repeating the flat denial, what we hear is obfuscation, we hear an attempt to avoid the question and then this fantastic line which sums up everything that this government is about: “By hook or by crook, we will do what we intend to do”.But then, we see an absolutely astounding interview conducted by the prime minister with Neil Mitchell on Friday, where when these allegations were put to the PM, rather than repeating the flat denial, what we hear is obfuscation, we hear an attempt to avoid the question and then this fantastic line which sums up everything that this government is about: “By hook or by crook, we will do what we intend to do”.
This is the government of the cheap fix, this is the government that goes down the quickest avenue it can. This is the government that doesn’t have enduring solutions. Why on earth would they – would he make a comment like that?This is the government of the cheap fix, this is the government that goes down the quickest avenue it can. This is the government that doesn’t have enduring solutions. Why on earth would they – would he make a comment like that?
We obviously expected that later that day, he would clean up those comments, he would do his press conference and he would assure the Australian people that no, it ain’t so, there is no way that an Australian government would have paid people smugglers to take people back to Indonesia. But, instead, he confirms it all and so where does that leave us?We obviously expected that later that day, he would clean up those comments, he would do his press conference and he would assure the Australian people that no, it ain’t so, there is no way that an Australian government would have paid people smugglers to take people back to Indonesia. But, instead, he confirms it all and so where does that leave us?
That leaves us with the prime minister inviting the Australian people to absolutely accept the proposition that that is exactly what happened.That leaves us with the prime minister inviting the Australian people to absolutely accept the proposition that that is exactly what happened.
That the Australian government has paid wads of cash to people smugglers who turn up next to an Australian navy vessel.That the Australian government has paid wads of cash to people smugglers who turn up next to an Australian navy vessel.
2.56pm AEST05:562.56pm AEST05:56
This censure is ostensibly on “chaos” – chaos in the government.This censure is ostensibly on “chaos” – chaos in the government.
Tony Burke:Tony Burke:
Australian taxpayers have a right to know where their money is spent. Australian taxpayers have a right to know, in particular, if their money is going to the most vile trade that both sides of this chamber have made the strongest comments against.Australian taxpayers have a right to know where their money is spent. Australian taxpayers have a right to know, in particular, if their money is going to the most vile trade that both sides of this chamber have made the strongest comments against.
We have a situation where we have no choice, no choice but to set aside the ordinary debate of parliament because this is not simply some mistake someone might have made at a media conference, this is something that this prime minister has claimed is an absolute cornerstone of his prime ministership and yet he won’t let people know if he has done exactly what he used to rail against.We have a situation where we have no choice, no choice but to set aside the ordinary debate of parliament because this is not simply some mistake someone might have made at a media conference, this is something that this prime minister has claimed is an absolute cornerstone of his prime ministership and yet he won’t let people know if he has done exactly what he used to rail against.
He has said ‘If you pay a people smuggler, that is doing the wrong thing, not the right thing and we shouldn’t encourage it.’ I have got to say, $US 30,000, that would count as an encouragement.He has said ‘If you pay a people smuggler, that is doing the wrong thing, not the right thing and we shouldn’t encourage it.’ I have got to say, $US 30,000, that would count as an encouragement.
If they are serious at all when they talk about the drownings argument being something significant, you don’t pay people to keep them on a leaky boat.If they are serious at all when they talk about the drownings argument being something significant, you don’t pay people to keep them on a leaky boat.
This parliament has to be able to have a situation where we can ask a question and get something approaching an answer because let’s not forget, these are hardly questions of difficult detail. We asked the immigration minister ‘Do you agree with yourself?’ and he didn’t know how to answer. We asked the foreign minister ‘foreign minister, do you agree with yourself’ and she said ‘I must not answer that.’This parliament has to be able to have a situation where we can ask a question and get something approaching an answer because let’s not forget, these are hardly questions of difficult detail. We asked the immigration minister ‘Do you agree with yourself?’ and he didn’t know how to answer. We asked the foreign minister ‘foreign minister, do you agree with yourself’ and she said ‘I must not answer that.’
What we have across there is a government that is in absolute chaos. They have leaks from their National Security Committee. We now have leaks from their own Question Time appearing online today. We now have a situation where they can’t hold the line even within the ranks of their own National Security Committee.What we have across there is a government that is in absolute chaos. They have leaks from their National Security Committee. We now have leaks from their own Question Time appearing online today. We now have a situation where they can’t hold the line even within the ranks of their own National Security Committee.
The prime minister won’t be able to respond to this resolution with a three-word slogan but it could do with a one word answer, a one word answer will settle this.The prime minister won’t be able to respond to this resolution with a three-word slogan but it could do with a one word answer, a one word answer will settle this.
A one word answer that Australian taxpayers have a right to know.A one word answer that Australian taxpayers have a right to know.
2.46pm AEST05:462.46pm AEST05:46
Labor censures the prime minister for chaos in his governmentLabor censures the prime minister for chaos in his government
Here’s the manager of opposition business, Tony Burke, with the censure motion.Here’s the manager of opposition business, Tony Burke, with the censure motion.
We have no choice but to suspend standing orders when we have a situation where that man (Tony Abbott) is physically incapable of answering a question.We have no choice but to suspend standing orders when we have a situation where that man (Tony Abbott) is physically incapable of answering a question.
Physically incapable of answering a question.Physically incapable of answering a question.
Updated at 3.02pm AESTUpdated at 3.02pm AEST
2.44pm AEST05:442.44pm AEST05:44
Shorten again, to Abbott.Shorten again, to Abbott.
Q: By failing to deny reports that criminal people smugglers could be paid $30,000 US if they make it to an Australian vessel, isn’t the government providing a cash incentive for these dangerous voyages to take place?Q: By failing to deny reports that criminal people smugglers could be paid $30,000 US if they make it to an Australian vessel, isn’t the government providing a cash incentive for these dangerous voyages to take place?
Tony Abbott:Tony Abbott:
No, we are not.No, we are not.
(There’s a pretty simple solution to this, if you didn’t authorise paying people smugglers, rule it out. Just rule it out.)(There’s a pretty simple solution to this, if you didn’t authorise paying people smugglers, rule it out. Just rule it out.)
2.41pm AEST05:412.41pm AEST05:41
We aren't big notersWe aren't big noters
Bill Shorten takes the prime minister to the attorney-general’s remark earlier.Bill Shorten takes the prime minister to the attorney-general’s remark earlier.
Q: I refer to the attorney-general’s statement today about whether cash payments have been made to people smugglers. The attorney-general said ‘I don’t believe that has occurred, so the question is academic.’ Prime minister, if the foreign minister can deny payments were made, if immigration minister can deny payments were made, and if your attorney-general can deny payments were made, why can’t you deny that payments were made?Q: I refer to the attorney-general’s statement today about whether cash payments have been made to people smugglers. The attorney-general said ‘I don’t believe that has occurred, so the question is academic.’ Prime minister, if the foreign minister can deny payments were made, if immigration minister can deny payments were made, and if your attorney-general can deny payments were made, why can’t you deny that payments were made?
Tony Abbott:Tony Abbott:
The very consistent position of this government has been not to comment on operational details. The consistent position of this government has been not to comment on the operational details of what is necessary and what has been done to stop the boats. There is a fundamental difference between this government and members opposite.The very consistent position of this government has been not to comment on operational details. The consistent position of this government has been not to comment on the operational details of what is necessary and what has been done to stop the boats. There is a fundamental difference between this government and members opposite.
One obvious difference is that this government has stopped the boats whereas members opposite started the boats. That is one obvious difference.One obvious difference is that this government has stopped the boats whereas members opposite started the boats. That is one obvious difference.
Another difference is that this government does not feel the need to broadcast our intentions and our tactics to our enemies.Another difference is that this government does not feel the need to broadcast our intentions and our tactics to our enemies.
This is a government which does not feel the need to big note itself in public, if the only beneficiaries are our enemies.This is a government which does not feel the need to big note itself in public, if the only beneficiaries are our enemies.
(The final observation prompts raucous laughter from member’s opposite.)(The final observation prompts raucous laughter from member’s opposite.)
2.36pm AEST05:362.36pm AEST05:36
Again, coming back to that caveat – we don’t know key facts about paying people smugglers – but I find it more plausible to suspect two ministers were right out of the loop than two ministers lied in public, only to be subsequently hung out to dry by the prime minister. That doesn’t quite stack up as a working theory for me. As I said a minute ago, I suspect these ministers have been put in a terrible position, not knowing what they should really know. I’m sure they’ll be delighted if that’s the case. Not.Again, coming back to that caveat – we don’t know key facts about paying people smugglers – but I find it more plausible to suspect two ministers were right out of the loop than two ministers lied in public, only to be subsequently hung out to dry by the prime minister. That doesn’t quite stack up as a working theory for me. As I said a minute ago, I suspect these ministers have been put in a terrible position, not knowing what they should really know. I’m sure they’ll be delighted if that’s the case. Not.
2.31pm AEST05:312.31pm AEST05:31
Labor’s Tanya Plibersek comes back with the obvious follow up to Julie Bishop.Labor’s Tanya Plibersek comes back with the obvious follow up to Julie Bishop.
Q: Given the minister’s previous answer, why did the foreign minister comment on operational matters on June 10?Q: Given the minister’s previous answer, why did the foreign minister comment on operational matters on June 10?
Julie Bishop:Julie Bishop:
This matter is now going to intelligence, security and operational matters and in accordance with the long standing practice of both sides of government, I will not answer the question.This matter is now going to intelligence, security and operational matters and in accordance with the long standing practice of both sides of government, I will not answer the question.
2.30pm AEST05:302.30pm AEST05:30
What an exciting day for small business.What an exciting day for small business.
Small business minister Bruce Billson. Excited!Small business minister Bruce Billson. Excited!
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I stress that we don’t yet have key facts about this incident. We don’t know with absolute certainty what has occurred.I stress that we don’t yet have key facts about this incident. We don’t know with absolute certainty what has occurred.
But if payments were made to people smugglers, and two portfolio ministers with direct responsibility in this area didn’t know about it at the time they issued their public denials, they have been put in a terrible position.But if payments were made to people smugglers, and two portfolio ministers with direct responsibility in this area didn’t know about it at the time they issued their public denials, they have been put in a terrible position.
Haven’t they?Haven’t they?
2.23pm AEST05:232.23pm AEST05:23
Labor’s Richard Marles to the immigration minister Peter Dutton.Labor’s Richard Marles to the immigration minister Peter Dutton.
Q: My question is to the minister for immigration and border protection. Last Tuesday the minister was asked whether the government had paid criminal people smugglers to transport asylum seekers on leaky boats. The minister replied ‘No.’ Minister, was that accurate?Q: My question is to the minister for immigration and border protection. Last Tuesday the minister was asked whether the government had paid criminal people smugglers to transport asylum seekers on leaky boats. The minister replied ‘No.’ Minister, was that accurate?
Peter Dutton isn’t repeating his denial, either.Peter Dutton isn’t repeating his denial, either.
Obviously neither is in a position to stand by their denials today.Obviously neither is in a position to stand by their denials today.
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Shadow foreign affairs minister, Tanya Plibersek.Shadow foreign affairs minister, Tanya Plibersek.
Q: My question is to the minister for foreign affairs. Last week the minister was asked whether the government had paid criminal people smugglers to transport asylum seekers on leaky boats. The minister said no. Minister, was that true?Q: My question is to the minister for foreign affairs. Last week the minister was asked whether the government had paid criminal people smugglers to transport asylum seekers on leaky boats. The minister said no. Minister, was that true?
Julie Bishop is doing everything she can not to answer this question.Julie Bishop is doing everything she can not to answer this question.
We know this question is motivated by a desire to discredit operation sovereign borders.We know this question is motivated by a desire to discredit operation sovereign borders.
Despite commenting last week on operational matters by denying any payment to people smugglers, this week, there’ll be no comment.Despite commenting last week on operational matters by denying any payment to people smugglers, this week, there’ll be no comment.
Julie Bishop:Julie Bishop:
I can inform the house, I won’t comment on intelligence, security, or operational matters.I can inform the house, I won’t comment on intelligence, security, or operational matters.
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Hooray, says the prime minister, with his first Dorothy Dixer. The small business tax break has cleared the Senate. Huzzah.Hooray, says the prime minister, with his first Dorothy Dixer. The small business tax break has cleared the Senate. Huzzah.
2.13pm AEST05:132.13pm AEST05:13
Righto, off with the gloves.Righto, off with the gloves.
Labor opens by wondering whether the prime minister is concerned about leaks. Bill Shorten to the prime minister.Labor opens by wondering whether the prime minister is concerned about leaks. Bill Shorten to the prime minister.
Q: Yesterday the minister for education admitted that he didn’t trust other ministers to keep cabinet discussions confidential, saying of cabinet meetings ‘One does need to be careful what they are going to say if it is going to end up in the newspapers.’ Are you concerned by leaks on matters of national security at the highest levels of your government?Q: Yesterday the minister for education admitted that he didn’t trust other ministers to keep cabinet discussions confidential, saying of cabinet meetings ‘One does need to be careful what they are going to say if it is going to end up in the newspapers.’ Are you concerned by leaks on matters of national security at the highest levels of your government?
The prime minister suggests there’s nothing to see here. Apart from the stock standard (unnecessary and over egged) guns and knives formulation.The prime minister suggests there’s nothing to see here. Apart from the stock standard (unnecessary and over egged) guns and knives formulation.
We’ll see that here. Again.We’ll see that here. Again.
Tony Abbott:Tony Abbott:
Anyone who takes a gun or a knife to Australians because of who we are has forfeited any right to be considered one of us – and that legislation will be coming into this parliament in the next fortnight.Anyone who takes a gun or a knife to Australians because of who we are has forfeited any right to be considered one of us – and that legislation will be coming into this parliament in the next fortnight.
What we are determined to do is to ensure that as far as is reasonably possible, if someone leaves this country to fight with a terrorist army in the Middle East, they aren’t coming back. As far as is humanly possible, if they leave this country to fight with a terrorist army overseas, they have committed the modern form of treason. They are not coming back because they have betrayed their Australian citizenship.What we are determined to do is to ensure that as far as is reasonably possible, if someone leaves this country to fight with a terrorist army in the Middle East, they aren’t coming back. As far as is humanly possible, if they leave this country to fight with a terrorist army overseas, they have committed the modern form of treason. They are not coming back because they have betrayed their Australian citizenship.
This is what this government is doing and I certainly invite more questions from the opposition on this subject because this is a topic where this government’s record is very strong indeed.This is what this government is doing and I certainly invite more questions from the opposition on this subject because this is a topic where this government’s record is very strong indeed.
2.08pm AEST05:082.08pm AEST05:08
Question timeQuestion time
It being 2pm.It being 2pm.
The prime minister is rising on indulgence. He’s by the River Thames, with King John and the alchemy of history. This is, of course, the Magna Carta.The prime minister is rising on indulgence. He’s by the River Thames, with King John and the alchemy of history. This is, of course, the Magna Carta.
Labor is protesting that it hasn’t heard question time would open with the Magna Carta. Abbott seems confused by that. He offers to stop. The Labor leader Bill Shorten waves him on.Labor is protesting that it hasn’t heard question time would open with the Magna Carta. Abbott seems confused by that. He offers to stop. The Labor leader Bill Shorten waves him on.
Tony Abbott:Tony Abbott:
The barons were thinking of themselves, not history. The king was thinking of survival, not of fundamental rights, yet from this mix of expediency and self interest emerged a document that has echoed through history.The barons were thinking of themselves, not history. The king was thinking of survival, not of fundamental rights, yet from this mix of expediency and self interest emerged a document that has echoed through history.
Modern Australia has an Indigenous heritage and a multicultural character. We also have a British foundation which in small measure we honour today. We salute those whose struggles have led to our enlightenment and we acknowledge our indebtedness to a history from which we learn and to a legacy upon which we build.Modern Australia has an Indigenous heritage and a multicultural character. We also have a British foundation which in small measure we honour today. We salute those whose struggles have led to our enlightenment and we acknowledge our indebtedness to a history from which we learn and to a legacy upon which we build.
Shorten is a bit pointed in his contribution. None of these rights, he says, were gained lightly.Shorten is a bit pointed in his contribution. None of these rights, he says, were gained lightly.
They are far easier to lose than to win and today is important to celebrate the ongoing contribution of this parliament to the role of liberty and freedom in our nation and our democracy.They are far easier to lose than to win and today is important to celebrate the ongoing contribution of this parliament to the role of liberty and freedom in our nation and our democracy.
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The shadow immigration minister Richard Marles is on his hundreth interview of the day – or that’s how it must feel for him, anyway. On Sky he’s asked whether he can guarantee today, the 800th anniversay of the Magna Carta, that Labor will ensure Australian citizens won’t have their citizenship revoked without courts being involved. Marles says Labor has to see the legislation before there’s a formal position, but that’s what the outgoing national security legislation monitor, Bret Walker says, and:The shadow immigration minister Richard Marles is on his hundreth interview of the day – or that’s how it must feel for him, anyway. On Sky he’s asked whether he can guarantee today, the 800th anniversay of the Magna Carta, that Labor will ensure Australian citizens won’t have their citizenship revoked without courts being involved. Marles says Labor has to see the legislation before there’s a formal position, but that’s what the outgoing national security legislation monitor, Bret Walker says, and:
That is what makes sense to me.That is what makes sense to me.
1.42pm AEST04:421.42pm AEST04:42
The American ambassador to Australia, John Berry, is currently addressing the LGBTI friendship group. Mike rather likes this shadow Berry, so I’ll share it with you all. I’ll have to chase his contribution up later.The American ambassador to Australia, John Berry, is currently addressing the LGBTI friendship group. Mike rather likes this shadow Berry, so I’ll share it with you all. I’ll have to chase his contribution up later.
Down the road, the Human Rights Commission president Gillian Triggs is speaking at a Magna Carta event. We aren’t there, but the ABC is. It sounds much like the speech she delivered last week.Down the road, the Human Rights Commission president Gillian Triggs is speaking at a Magna Carta event. We aren’t there, but the ABC is. It sounds much like the speech she delivered last week.
Triggs:Triggs:
Prioritised government power has become routine. The separation of powers doctrine is becoming distorted.Prioritised government power has become routine. The separation of powers doctrine is becoming distorted.
Updated at 1.51pm AESTUpdated at 1.51pm AEST
1.28pm AEST04:281.28pm AEST04:28
Just while there’s half a minute, more from Mikearoo’s huge sprint around fifty issues this morning. Liberal MP Dennis Jensen as you’ve never seen him before, unless you are Quentin from Flames Fitness.Just while there’s half a minute, more from Mikearoo’s huge sprint around fifty issues this morning. Liberal MP Dennis Jensen as you’ve never seen him before, unless you are Quentin from Flames Fitness.
And Joe’s jumper. (Look along the faces from this division picture. Lovely, right?) The first recorded instance of small business Bruce Billson – frowning.And Joe’s jumper. (Look along the faces from this division picture. Lovely, right?) The first recorded instance of small business Bruce Billson – frowning.
1.12pm AEST04:121.12pm AEST04:12
From the vault marked curiouser and curiouser. I’ve just seen pictures of the attorney general George Brandis belting out of the Magna Carta event from earlier on, pursued by 20 or so of his closest media friends, who want to know whether it is legal for governments to pay people smugglers.From the vault marked curiouser and curiouser. I’ve just seen pictures of the attorney general George Brandis belting out of the Magna Carta event from earlier on, pursued by 20 or so of his closest media friends, who want to know whether it is legal for governments to pay people smugglers.
George Brandis, SC:George Brandis, SC:
I don’t believe that that has occurred so the question is academic.I don’t believe that that has occurred so the question is academic.
Updated at 1.20pm AESTUpdated at 1.20pm AEST
1.02pm AEST04:021.02pm AEST04:02
A bit more cut-through logic from the Politics Live readership.A bit more cut-through logic from the Politics Live readership.
@murpharoo Ruddock's logic (and the whole situation) reminds me of this exchange from The West Wing pic.twitter.com/dk3z99kWdN@murpharoo Ruddock's logic (and the whole situation) reminds me of this exchange from The West Wing pic.twitter.com/dk3z99kWdN
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Politics, el desko, el lunchoPolitics, el desko, el luncho
She’s blowing a small gale, political Monday.She’s blowing a small gale, political Monday.
Let’s do a quick stocktake.Let’s do a quick stocktake.
Wonderful frame from my friend Mikearoo of this morning’s Magna Carta fest downstairs. A lawyer’s picnic – lawyer Bishop greets Brandis SC.Wonderful frame from my friend Mikearoo of this morning’s Magna Carta fest downstairs. A lawyer’s picnic – lawyer Bishop greets Brandis SC.
And here’s another of the shadow attorney general, Mark Dreyfus, moving his censure motion just before.And here’s another of the shadow attorney general, Mark Dreyfus, moving his censure motion just before.
To the known knowns and unknown unknowns.To the known knowns and unknown unknowns.
That’s my morning. How’s yours proceeding?That’s my morning. How’s yours proceeding?
Thanks for all the comments both here and elsewhere. Lovely to see you all out in such numbers.Thanks for all the comments both here and elsewhere. Lovely to see you all out in such numbers.
Updated at 1.08pm AESTUpdated at 1.08pm AEST
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While they are all still shouting and pointing downstairs, a couple more developments on citizenship.While they are all still shouting and pointing downstairs, a couple more developments on citizenship.
1. Greens:1. Greens:
Greens senator Sarah Hanson Young:Greens senator Sarah Hanson Young:
Paying cash bribes to boat crews amounts to people trafficking. The government does not have a mandate to break the law or a blank cheque to allow handing over wads of cash in the middle of the ocean.Paying cash bribes to boat crews amounts to people trafficking. The government does not have a mandate to break the law or a blank cheque to allow handing over wads of cash in the middle of the ocean.
2. Philip Ruddock, minding his pennies:2. Philip Ruddock, minding his pennies:
Lanai Scarr, national political reporter for news.com.au, has caught up with Ruddock, father of the House and former immigration minister, who has had a busy morning. I mentioned just before he made a contribution in the marriage equality debate.Lanai Scarr, national political reporter for news.com.au, has caught up with Ruddock, father of the House and former immigration minister, who has had a busy morning. I mentioned just before he made a contribution in the marriage equality debate.
Ruddock has an ... interesting ... take on paying people smugglers to take asylum seekers back to Indonesia.Ruddock has an ... interesting ... take on paying people smugglers to take asylum seekers back to Indonesia.
Take it away, Lanai:Take it away, Lanai:
Former immigration minister and architect of the Pacific Solution Philip Ruddock says if any payment was made to people smugglers to return to Indonesia, the government would still be saving money in the long term.Former immigration minister and architect of the Pacific Solution Philip Ruddock says if any payment was made to people smugglers to return to Indonesia, the government would still be saving money in the long term.
Speaking to News Corp Australia this morning Father of The House Mr Ruddock said it cost Australia “millions and millions” of dollars to process the asylum seekers who came to our shores as a result of people smuggling activity under Labor. “The amount of money that was allegedly paid is nothing in comparison to the cost of processing the excessive amount of people who came to Australia as a result of people smuggling activity.”Speaking to News Corp Australia this morning Father of The House Mr Ruddock said it cost Australia “millions and millions” of dollars to process the asylum seekers who came to our shores as a result of people smuggling activity under Labor. “The amount of money that was allegedly paid is nothing in comparison to the cost of processing the excessive amount of people who came to Australia as a result of people smuggling activity.”
12.15pm AEST03:1512.15pm AEST03:15
Censures and (alleged) cover ups and gagsCensures and (alleged) cover ups and gags
With that transacted, the shadow attorney general Mark Dreyfus has just attempted to censure the foreign minister, the attorney general and the prime minister for misleading the House about the letter Man Monis – the perpetrator of the Sydney siege – sent to the attorney-general George Brandis.With that transacted, the shadow attorney general Mark Dreyfus has just attempted to censure the foreign minister, the attorney general and the prime minister for misleading the House about the letter Man Monis – the perpetrator of the Sydney siege – sent to the attorney-general George Brandis.
The government said at first this letter was given to the joint NSW/federal inquiry into the siege. Then Julie Bishop had to come back to parliament during the last sitting period and and correct the record because the letter was not, in fact, given to the inquiry after all.The government said at first this letter was given to the joint NSW/federal inquiry into the siege. Then Julie Bishop had to come back to parliament during the last sitting period and and correct the record because the letter was not, in fact, given to the inquiry after all.
Labor was cranky on the day the correction was made, because obviously providing conflicting accounts of your actions is sub optimal practice, and because the government had come at them hard when they initially asked questions about the handling of the Monis letter in parliament.Labor was cranky on the day the correction was made, because obviously providing conflicting accounts of your actions is sub optimal practice, and because the government had come at them hard when they initially asked questions about the handling of the Monis letter in parliament.
Dreyfus this morning is going the shout. This cock up is appalling, he says.Dreyfus this morning is going the shout. This cock up is appalling, he says.
Time and again this government has shown itself to be addicted to cover-up and secrecy. More importantly for the Australian people, the Coalition has shown itself more concerned about talking tough on national security at a press conference than running a competent government.Time and again this government has shown itself to be addicted to cover-up and secrecy. More importantly for the Australian people, the Coalition has shown itself more concerned about talking tough on national security at a press conference than running a competent government.
As if to illustrate the point about secrecy, the government is going the gag.As if to illustrate the point about secrecy, the government is going the gag.
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Over in the House, private member’s business is underway. I flagged earlier on today that Labor’s deputy leader Tanya Plibersek would be speaking to Bill Shorten’s marriage equality bill. She’s just done so.Over in the House, private member’s business is underway. I flagged earlier on today that Labor’s deputy leader Tanya Plibersek would be speaking to Bill Shorten’s marriage equality bill. She’s just done so.
Plibersek:Plibersek:
It is time, it is well past time, that this parliament says to gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and intersex Australians – we recognise that you love. That’s more important than who you love. So, to paraphrase William Shakespeare, let us not to the marriage of true minds admit impediments.It is time, it is well past time, that this parliament says to gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and intersex Australians – we recognise that you love. That’s more important than who you love. So, to paraphrase William Shakespeare, let us not to the marriage of true minds admit impediments.
Liberal MP and father of the House, Philip Ruddock is also making a contribution. He’s hacking away at Labor’s lack of politeness in bringing this legislation forward, rather than pursuing a multi-party effort, which could have examined different models for solving this problem. Bad bad Labor party. He notes in passing that he doesn’t believe that same sex folks should be discriminated against.Liberal MP and father of the House, Philip Ruddock is also making a contribution. He’s hacking away at Labor’s lack of politeness in bringing this legislation forward, rather than pursuing a multi-party effort, which could have examined different models for solving this problem. Bad bad Labor party. He notes in passing that he doesn’t believe that same sex folks should be discriminated against.
Updated at 1.56pm AESTUpdated at 1.56pm AEST
11.54am AEST02:5411.54am AEST02:54
A tiny bit more from that Probyn QTB on toothlessness and citizenship stripping.A tiny bit more from that Probyn QTB on toothlessness and citizenship stripping.
In many cases law enforcement agencies will know an Australian has been fighting with terrorist groups but will be unable to present sufficient eligible evidence to secure a conviction.In many cases law enforcement agencies will know an Australian has been fighting with terrorist groups but will be unable to present sufficient eligible evidence to secure a conviction.
So if we boil down the government rationale, it’s this: we need the power to strip dual nationals of their citizenship, and we need the executive to have that power, because we won’t be able to get a result in the courts.So if we boil down the government rationale, it’s this: we need the power to strip dual nationals of their citizenship, and we need the executive to have that power, because we won’t be able to get a result in the courts.
I’d say happy 800th Magna Carta but it’s too early to be gratuitous.I’d say happy 800th Magna Carta but it’s too early to be gratuitous.
11.46am AEST02:4611.46am AEST02:46
A law requiring a terrorist conviction would be toothlessA law requiring a terrorist conviction would be toothless
Andrew Probyn, political editor at the West Australian – our hard working next door neighbour in fact – has just turned up a question time brief on the citizenship laws.Andrew Probyn, political editor at the West Australian – our hard working next door neighbour in fact – has just turned up a question time brief on the citizenship laws.
It’s an interesting document at a couple of levels, in no particular order:It’s an interesting document at a couple of levels, in no particular order:
Andrew’s scoop and a PDF of the citizenship QTB can be found here.Andrew’s scoop and a PDF of the citizenship QTB can be found here.
11.35am AEST02:3511.35am AEST02:35
A little while ago, the Senate passed the Abbott government’s small business tax measures from the budget without amendments.A little while ago, the Senate passed the Abbott government’s small business tax measures from the budget without amendments.
11.15am AEST02:1511.15am AEST02:15
Some apt reader feedback. Thanks to Luke Miller.Some apt reader feedback. Thanks to Luke Miller.
@murpharoo An 800 year-old document is beating up the Australian government and its citizenship policies today. Remarkable. #auspol@murpharoo An 800 year-old document is beating up the Australian government and its citizenship policies today. Remarkable. #auspol
11.12am AEST02:1211.12am AEST02:12
Magna Carta-ing. To the max. Don’t mind the fine print.Magna Carta-ing. To the max. Don’t mind the fine print.
11.10am AEST02:1011.10am AEST02:10
Bill Shorten’s paean to the Magna Carta turns on the notion that democratic liberalism can be bound together in common values not by war, or tumult, but by a piece of writing. (This is apparently a quote from Melvyn Bragg.) The values of the Magna Carta have been passed country to country, over centuries – England, France, America and Australia.Bill Shorten’s paean to the Magna Carta turns on the notion that democratic liberalism can be bound together in common values not by war, or tumult, but by a piece of writing. (This is apparently a quote from Melvyn Bragg.) The values of the Magna Carta have been passed country to country, over centuries – England, France, America and Australia.
Shorten:Shorten:
Above us, on the roof of the parliament, where any person can walk because every person is sovereign. Out the doors behind you, in the High Court, that interprets the constitution, upholds the separation of powers, and treats everyone equally under law. And across the lake, in the memorial to those Australians who’ve died in wars, fought to defend these very ideals.Above us, on the roof of the parliament, where any person can walk because every person is sovereign. Out the doors behind you, in the High Court, that interprets the constitution, upholds the separation of powers, and treats everyone equally under law. And across the lake, in the memorial to those Australians who’ve died in wars, fought to defend these very ideals.
On its 800th birthday, we salute the Magna Carta. As a flickering candle, compass, a guiding star. The true beginning of rights and liberties.On its 800th birthday, we salute the Magna Carta. As a flickering candle, compass, a guiding star. The true beginning of rights and liberties.
Updated at 11.26am AESTUpdated at 11.26am AEST
10.59am AEST01:5910.59am AEST01:59
The prime minister notes that the 1952 acquisition of Australia’s copy of the Magna Carta was shrouded in controversy, as most good things are. He says Robert Menzies paid the full asking price, making it his Blue Poles moment. (Gough Whitlam was blasted for purchasing Blue Poles in 1973 for $1.3m).The prime minister notes that the 1952 acquisition of Australia’s copy of the Magna Carta was shrouded in controversy, as most good things are. He says Robert Menzies paid the full asking price, making it his Blue Poles moment. (Gough Whitlam was blasted for purchasing Blue Poles in 1973 for $1.3m).
One of the fiercest critics of the Menzies investment was long-serving Labor MP and Whitlam government minister Clyde Cameron, who said that the money would’ve been much better spent sending a copy of Magna Carta to every school child in this Commonwealth of ours.One of the fiercest critics of the Menzies investment was long-serving Labor MP and Whitlam government minister Clyde Cameron, who said that the money would’ve been much better spent sending a copy of Magna Carta to every school child in this Commonwealth of ours.
But Abbott suggests the aquisition of a piece of old parchment was a good investment.But Abbott suggests the aquisition of a piece of old parchment was a good investment.
Some of us in this parliament are eager for smaller government, lower taxes and greater freedom. Others yearn for more equality and fairness. Yet all of us, regardless of the particular political tradition which we represent, respect the values and the institutions on which our polity rests and which have so steadfastly stood the test of time.Some of us in this parliament are eager for smaller government, lower taxes and greater freedom. Others yearn for more equality and fairness. Yet all of us, regardless of the particular political tradition which we represent, respect the values and the institutions on which our polity rests and which have so steadfastly stood the test of time.
Today, we acknowledge a grand tradition of which we are today’s custodians – and we pledge to build on this magnificent legacy.Today, we acknowledge a grand tradition of which we are today’s custodians – and we pledge to build on this magnificent legacy.
10.53am AEST01:5310.53am AEST01:53
The Magna Carta Fest has kicked off downstairs with an opening speech by the prime minister, who notes the document was repudiated by King John, a few weeks after he signed it.The Magna Carta Fest has kicked off downstairs with an opening speech by the prime minister, who notes the document was repudiated by King John, a few weeks after he signed it.
Tony Abbott:Tony Abbott:
Yet it has become the foundation of liberty by establishing that no man is above the law, not even the king.Yet it has become the foundation of liberty by establishing that no man is above the law, not even the king.
(In Australia’s case, no man is above the law, apart from the immigration minister, if the government proceeds with its citizenship proposal.)(In Australia’s case, no man is above the law, apart from the immigration minister, if the government proceeds with its citizenship proposal.)
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I did mention before today’s parliamentary celebrations noting the 800th anniversary of the sealing of the Magna Carta. The prime minister and the oppositon leader are due to attend a Magna Carta event in the Great Hall shortly.I did mention before today’s parliamentary celebrations noting the 800th anniversary of the sealing of the Magna Carta. The prime minister and the oppositon leader are due to attend a Magna Carta event in the Great Hall shortly.
Updated at 10.31am AESTUpdated at 10.31am AEST
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Updated at 10.37am AESTUpdated at 10.37am AEST
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The social services minister, Scott Morrison, is being asked whether the government paid people smugglers to take asylum seekers back to Indonesia. Morrison is, of course, a former immigration minister. Mark Reilly from the Seven Network asks him this question.The social services minister, Scott Morrison, is being asked whether the government paid people smugglers to take asylum seekers back to Indonesia. Morrison is, of course, a former immigration minister. Mark Reilly from the Seven Network asks him this question.
Q: Would the ends justify the means minister?Q: Would the ends justify the means minister?
Morrison:Morrison:
That’s your comment Mark.That’s your comment Mark.
Morrison says the simple fact is if a boat is leaving Indonesia, it’s going back.Morrison says the simple fact is if a boat is leaving Indonesia, it’s going back.
It is not my job or the government’s job to commentate on commentators. It’s our job to hold faith with the Australian people with the pledge we gave them that we would stop the boats, and that is exactly what we have done.It is not my job or the government’s job to commentate on commentators. It’s our job to hold faith with the Australian people with the pledge we gave them that we would stop the boats, and that is exactly what we have done.
Morrison says he won’t get into operational matters. He didn’t when he was the minister and he won’t now. Morrison says he has every confidence that officers working as part of Operation Sovereign Borders, based on my own experience of them ... have always and will always operate lawfully.Morrison says he won’t get into operational matters. He didn’t when he was the minister and he won’t now. Morrison says he has every confidence that officers working as part of Operation Sovereign Borders, based on my own experience of them ... have always and will always operate lawfully.
Morrison is then asked about citizenship revocations.Morrison is then asked about citizenship revocations.
Q: Do you think as a government you should get this right before you put it before the parliament, to head off a constitutional challenge?Q: Do you think as a government you should get this right before you put it before the parliament, to head off a constitutional challenge?
I have every confidence we will, in terms of what we put forward to the parliament, I think be very forthright about what we need the achieve. That is to stop the terrorists coming back to Australia. That’s what this debate is about. It’s about stopping terrorists coming back to Australia.I have every confidence we will, in terms of what we put forward to the parliament, I think be very forthright about what we need the achieve. That is to stop the terrorists coming back to Australia. That’s what this debate is about. It’s about stopping terrorists coming back to Australia.
Updated at 10.36am AESTUpdated at 10.36am AEST
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A quick mid-morning stocktake in the event you are just back from the coffee run and you are now pretending to work while reading the blog:A quick mid-morning stocktake in the event you are just back from the coffee run and you are now pretending to work while reading the blog:
Monday, in national affairs, thus far, is:Monday, in national affairs, thus far, is:
Updated at 10.30am AESTUpdated at 10.30am AEST
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Back briefly to the golden toilet brush, and the awarding of this year’s prize to the treasurer, Joe Hockey.Back briefly to the golden toilet brush, and the awarding of this year’s prize to the treasurer, Joe Hockey.
Joanne Schofield, the national president of United Voice, the union representing Parliament House cleaners.Joanne Schofield, the national president of United Voice, the union representing Parliament House cleaners.
Mr Hockey has offended hard-working Australians. He is telling them to earn ‘good money’ while actively cutting the wages of government cleaners and freezing the wages of Parliament House cleaners. This was a closely fought contest between Mr Abbott and Mr Hockey, but despite Mr Abbott’s huge failure to support cleaners, Mr Hockey has offended too many people too often in recent months. United Voice hopes that this Golden Toilet Brush will help Mr Hockey and flush some of his recent problems away.Mr Hockey has offended hard-working Australians. He is telling them to earn ‘good money’ while actively cutting the wages of government cleaners and freezing the wages of Parliament House cleaners. This was a closely fought contest between Mr Abbott and Mr Hockey, but despite Mr Abbott’s huge failure to support cleaners, Mr Hockey has offended too many people too often in recent months. United Voice hopes that this Golden Toilet Brush will help Mr Hockey and flush some of his recent problems away.
(You see what she did there, right?)(You see what she did there, right?)
Updated at 10.27am AESTUpdated at 10.27am AEST
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The shadow immigration minister, Richard Marles, speaking now on why he’s asked the auditor general to investigate the alleged payment of people smugglers.The shadow immigration minister, Richard Marles, speaking now on why he’s asked the auditor general to investigate the alleged payment of people smugglers.
Marles:Marles:
The first thing we want to know is, obviously, whether or not these payments were actually made so we’ve asked the auditor general to investigate that question. I think the next point is this: if, in fact, these payments were made, are they a proper expenditure of government money, of taxpayer money and, if so, how would the authorisation go in relation to that expenditure and did that authorisation actually occur? We need to know the answers to those questions very quickly because, ultimately, we need to get to the bottom of what happened here.The first thing we want to know is, obviously, whether or not these payments were actually made so we’ve asked the auditor general to investigate that question. I think the next point is this: if, in fact, these payments were made, are they a proper expenditure of government money, of taxpayer money and, if so, how would the authorisation go in relation to that expenditure and did that authorisation actually occur? We need to know the answers to those questions very quickly because, ultimately, we need to get to the bottom of what happened here.
Q: Why is the auditor general the appropriate authority to investigate this?Q: Why is the auditor general the appropriate authority to investigate this?
Because this goes to a question of the expenditure of Australian taxpayer money. The auditor general is precisely the right person to investigate the propriety of any government expenditure and whether or not the proper processes were gone through in respect of any government expenditure. If Australian taxpayer money has been spent by handing wads of cash over to people smugglers who have come in contact with an Australian Navy vessel, I think we need to understand, firstly did it happen, secondly, is that an appropriate expenditure? Thirdly, if it did, what process of authorisation was gone through by those who made the expenditure such that this was all done appropriately?Because this goes to a question of the expenditure of Australian taxpayer money. The auditor general is precisely the right person to investigate the propriety of any government expenditure and whether or not the proper processes were gone through in respect of any government expenditure. If Australian taxpayer money has been spent by handing wads of cash over to people smugglers who have come in contact with an Australian Navy vessel, I think we need to understand, firstly did it happen, secondly, is that an appropriate expenditure? Thirdly, if it did, what process of authorisation was gone through by those who made the expenditure such that this was all done appropriately?
(The auditor general won’t be the right body to investigate this if it was Asis who made this payment.)(The auditor general won’t be the right body to investigate this if it was Asis who made this payment.)
Updated at 10.12am AESTUpdated at 10.12am AEST
9.23am AEST00:239.23am AEST00:23
Madam Speaker and the Holy GrailMadam Speaker and the Holy Grail
Madam Speaker, Bronwyn Bishop, is making a rare appearance outside the chamber to note the fact that Parliament House in Canberra is leading off worldwide celebrations for the 800th anniversary of the sealing of Magna Carta on 15 June. Parliament House holds one of four surviving copies of the famed Inspeximus 1297 edition of the Magna Carta.Madam Speaker, Bronwyn Bishop, is making a rare appearance outside the chamber to note the fact that Parliament House in Canberra is leading off worldwide celebrations for the 800th anniversary of the sealing of Magna Carta on 15 June. Parliament House holds one of four surviving copies of the famed Inspeximus 1297 edition of the Magna Carta.
A lot of people on the Liberal side of politics are devotees of the Magna Carta, for good reason. It’s the foundation of the rule of law. I’m a devotee myself, truth be told. It’s consequently rather inconvenient for various government types to be noting this significant anniversary at a time when it is proposing to strip people of their citizenship without a court process.A lot of people on the Liberal side of politics are devotees of the Magna Carta, for good reason. It’s the foundation of the rule of law. I’m a devotee myself, truth be told. It’s consequently rather inconvenient for various government types to be noting this significant anniversary at a time when it is proposing to strip people of their citizenship without a court process.
Bishop is asked about this on the ABC.Bishop is asked about this on the ABC.
Q: As a student of the law yourself, do you believe that (giving a minister power to strip citizenship) sits comfortably with the principles of the Magna Carta?Q: As a student of the law yourself, do you believe that (giving a minister power to strip citizenship) sits comfortably with the principles of the Magna Carta?
Madam Speaker, enjoying a quasi-religious moment as she swerves neatly around the obvious contradiction.Madam Speaker, enjoying a quasi-religious moment as she swerves neatly around the obvious contradiction.
The Magna Carta is an important historical document. Some people have commented it is mystical in some ways, almost like the search for the Holy Grail. But it is a very important and significant document. It became a statute in 1300, even though it began as a charter which the King could issue and withdraw at will.The Magna Carta is an important historical document. Some people have commented it is mystical in some ways, almost like the search for the Holy Grail. But it is a very important and significant document. It became a statute in 1300, even though it began as a charter which the King could issue and withdraw at will.
So to try and draw a connection between what is happening today and the precise language that was used in the 13th and 14th century – I think is to draw a long bow.So to try and draw a connection between what is happening today and the precise language that was used in the 13th and 14th century – I think is to draw a long bow.
Updated at 10.09am AESTUpdated at 10.09am AEST
9.06am AEST00:069.06am AEST00:06
Because every home needs a giant gold toilet brush.Because every home needs a giant gold toilet brush.
Including the house of the people – Parliament House.Including the house of the people – Parliament House.
Some context perhaps? The cleaners in Parliament House are on strike at the present time, seeking better wages and conditions.Some context perhaps? The cleaners in Parliament House are on strike at the present time, seeking better wages and conditions.
They also have an annual award – the golden toilet brush award. Yes, this is one of those ironic awards. The trophy is the brush being held aloft by Glenn Lazarus in Mike’s first picture. I gather the golden brush this year is bound for the treasurer, Joe Hockey.They also have an annual award – the golden toilet brush award. Yes, this is one of those ironic awards. The trophy is the brush being held aloft by Glenn Lazarus in Mike’s first picture. I gather the golden brush this year is bound for the treasurer, Joe Hockey.
Updated at 10.06am AESTUpdated at 10.06am AEST
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Citizenship stripping of alleged jihadists is also kicking around the corridors in the start-stop mildly chaotic fashion that has characterised this debate since its debut in January 2014. We are told the legislation will appear some time this fortnight. But seriously, who would know? A bunch of high-powered lawyers can’t quite work out how such a move would be constitutional.Citizenship stripping of alleged jihadists is also kicking around the corridors in the start-stop mildly chaotic fashion that has characterised this debate since its debut in January 2014. We are told the legislation will appear some time this fortnight. But seriously, who would know? A bunch of high-powered lawyers can’t quite work out how such a move would be constitutional.
The outgoing national security legislation monitor, Bret Walker, has been on the ABC this morning. He’s told his host Fran Kelly that it never occurred to him that the Abbott government would bring forward a proposal that would allow people to have their citizenship revoked without first having been convicted of a crime. Walker says he thought it would be clear to any government that doing that would be several bridges too far.The outgoing national security legislation monitor, Bret Walker, has been on the ABC this morning. He’s told his host Fran Kelly that it never occurred to him that the Abbott government would bring forward a proposal that would allow people to have their citizenship revoked without first having been convicted of a crime. Walker says he thought it would be clear to any government that doing that would be several bridges too far.
Walker, an eminent lawyer, is asked whether he thinks the government’s proposal is constitutional. He says he doesn’t know, but he’s pretty sure if the government attempts to revoke someone’s citizenship in the absence of a conviction then the high court won’t much care for that.Walker, an eminent lawyer, is asked whether he thinks the government’s proposal is constitutional. He says he doesn’t know, but he’s pretty sure if the government attempts to revoke someone’s citizenship in the absence of a conviction then the high court won’t much care for that.
For people interested in this issue, when time permits have a read of this terrific piece in the London Review of Books, which goes into the use of the citizenship revocation powers in the UK, and how this ties in with intelligence and security interests of the United States.For people interested in this issue, when time permits have a read of this terrific piece in the London Review of Books, which goes into the use of the citizenship revocation powers in the UK, and how this ties in with intelligence and security interests of the United States.
Updated at 10.04am AESTUpdated at 10.04am AEST
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Sticking with boats, the government has evidently decided that attack is the best form of defence. Indonesia has said in recent days that Australia has questions to answer on the alleged payments to people smugglers.Sticking with boats, the government has evidently decided that attack is the best form of defence. Indonesia has said in recent days that Australia has questions to answer on the alleged payments to people smugglers.
But the foreign minister, Julie Bishop, who normally chooses her words carefully, has decided to speak rather sharply. She’s spoken to The Australian’s foreign editor, Greg Sheridan, this morning.But the foreign minister, Julie Bishop, who normally chooses her words carefully, has decided to speak rather sharply. She’s spoken to The Australian’s foreign editor, Greg Sheridan, this morning.
She thinks Indonesia needs to get with the program.She thinks Indonesia needs to get with the program.
Julie Bishop:Julie Bishop:
The best way for Indonesia to resolve any concerns it has about Operation Sovereign Borders is for Indonesia to enforce sovereignty over its borders. Operation Sovereign Borders is necessary because Indonesian boats with Indonesian crews are leaving Indonesia with the express intention of breaching our sovereignty, facilitated by illegal people-smuggling syndicates.The best way for Indonesia to resolve any concerns it has about Operation Sovereign Borders is for Indonesia to enforce sovereignty over its borders. Operation Sovereign Borders is necessary because Indonesian boats with Indonesian crews are leaving Indonesia with the express intention of breaching our sovereignty, facilitated by illegal people-smuggling syndicates.
8.31am AEST23:318.31am AEST23:31
We don't talk about that agency, unless of course we doWe don't talk about that agency, unless of course we do
I mentioned in the first post there’s another security-related leak regarding the boats. The Daily Telegraph’s political editor, Simon Benson, reports this morning that a senior intelligence source has told him that Australia’s foreign intelligence service – Asis – had been engaged in covert disruption and intelligence operations, which could include paying people smugglers to take asylum seekers to Indonesia.I mentioned in the first post there’s another security-related leak regarding the boats. The Daily Telegraph’s political editor, Simon Benson, reports this morning that a senior intelligence source has told him that Australia’s foreign intelligence service – Asis – had been engaged in covert disruption and intelligence operations, which could include paying people smugglers to take asylum seekers to Indonesia.
Here’s what Benson quotes his source as saying:Here’s what Benson quotes his source as saying:
Put it this way, the navy doesn’t have authorisation to do such things nor do they sail around with safes full of US dollars in them. But for obvious and good reasons, we don’t talk about operations of that agency (Asis).Put it this way, the navy doesn’t have authorisation to do such things nor do they sail around with safes full of US dollars in them. But for obvious and good reasons, we don’t talk about operations of that agency (Asis).
It’s one of those moderately hilarious blind quotes you read in stories from time to time. Well, apparently “we” don’t talk about the operations of that agency ... apart from when it suits us to float an idea through a newspaper.It’s one of those moderately hilarious blind quotes you read in stories from time to time. Well, apparently “we” don’t talk about the operations of that agency ... apart from when it suits us to float an idea through a newspaper.
Then, apparently, “we” talk about that agency. Behind our hands.Then, apparently, “we” talk about that agency. Behind our hands.
It really is amazing how much this government (or agents of this government) leaks security-related issues, either officially or unofficially.It really is amazing how much this government (or agents of this government) leaks security-related issues, either officially or unofficially.
Moving forward.Moving forward.
The government is under pressure on this issue. If you’ve not followed this story closely, reports emerged last week that the government might have paid people smugglers to take asylum seekers back to Indonesia. These reports were denied initially by two ministers: the immigration minister and the foreign minister. But now the prime minister is refusing to deny that payments occurred. Others are cleaning up their previous denials.The government is under pressure on this issue. If you’ve not followed this story closely, reports emerged last week that the government might have paid people smugglers to take asylum seekers back to Indonesia. These reports were denied initially by two ministers: the immigration minister and the foreign minister. But now the prime minister is refusing to deny that payments occurred. Others are cleaning up their previous denials.
Tony Abbott said this yesterday:Tony Abbott said this yesterday:
There’s really only one thing to say here, and that is that we’ve stopped the boats. That’s good for Australia, it’s good for Indonesia and it’s particularly good for all those who want to see a better world.There’s really only one thing to say here, and that is that we’ve stopped the boats. That’s good for Australia, it’s good for Indonesia and it’s particularly good for all those who want to see a better world.
This isn’t the only thing to say of course.This isn’t the only thing to say of course.
Here’s a few suggestions of other things I can say from a standing start:Here’s a few suggestions of other things I can say from a standing start:
The shadow immigration minister, Richard Marles, has written to the auditor general requesting an investigation of payments, allegedly worth $40,000.The shadow immigration minister, Richard Marles, has written to the auditor general requesting an investigation of payments, allegedly worth $40,000.
The Greens and crossbenchers are also demanding answers.The Greens and crossbenchers are also demanding answers.
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Well hello lovely people and welcome to Canberra on this Monday, which is cloudy with a high probability of nonsense.Well hello lovely people and welcome to Canberra on this Monday, which is cloudy with a high probability of nonsense.
The main stories in politics early this Monday are boats (did the Australian government sanction a payment to people smugglers to take asylum seekers back to Indonesia); the new Ipsos poll (which after a brief flirtation with a budget bounce for Tony Abbott has now rejoined the published polling pack); and “will we or won’t we” finally see new laws stripping alleged jihadists of their citizenship.The main stories in politics early this Monday are boats (did the Australian government sanction a payment to people smugglers to take asylum seekers back to Indonesia); the new Ipsos poll (which after a brief flirtation with a budget bounce for Tony Abbott has now rejoined the published polling pack); and “will we or won’t we” finally see new laws stripping alleged jihadists of their citizenship.
There also seems to be yet another security leak regarding the boats story this morning – but more of that in a minute.There also seems to be yet another security leak regarding the boats story this morning – but more of that in a minute.
I’ll start with Ipsos because we need to, of course, note it, and doing this upfront gets it out of the way so we can press on with today’s more weighty matters of state.I’ll start with Ipsos because we need to, of course, note it, and doing this upfront gets it out of the way so we can press on with today’s more weighty matters of state.
This morning’s poll, published by Fairfax Media, has Labor ahead on the two-party-preferred number on 53% to the government’s 47%. So all the major published polls are in alignment now, more or less.This morning’s poll, published by Fairfax Media, has Labor ahead on the two-party-preferred number on 53% to the government’s 47%. So all the major published polls are in alignment now, more or less.
Blogans and bloganistas will remember Ipsos produced the only post-budget poll that recorded a gain for the Abbott government – the major parties were 50/50 in a survey taken immediately after the economic statement last month. As I noted at the time, if we look at Ipsos compared with the other major opinion polls, the main measures seem more volatile than other surveys. The May result was also out of step with every other poll in the field at the time.Blogans and bloganistas will remember Ipsos produced the only post-budget poll that recorded a gain for the Abbott government – the major parties were 50/50 in a survey taken immediately after the economic statement last month. As I noted at the time, if we look at Ipsos compared with the other major opinion polls, the main measures seem more volatile than other surveys. The May result was also out of step with every other poll in the field at the time.
Looking at personal approval ratings, Fairfax chief political correspondent Mark Kenny notes this morning that the prime minister has lost ground on preferred prime minister in this latest survey, and “Mr Abbott’s personal approval rating has also suffered, with 40% of voters approving of his performance compared to 54% disapproving for a net rating of minus 14% – down 6 points since May. Mr Shorten is also in negative territory but less deeply with a rating of minus 6% – down 2 since May.”Looking at personal approval ratings, Fairfax chief political correspondent Mark Kenny notes this morning that the prime minister has lost ground on preferred prime minister in this latest survey, and “Mr Abbott’s personal approval rating has also suffered, with 40% of voters approving of his performance compared to 54% disapproving for a net rating of minus 14% – down 6 points since May. Mr Shorten is also in negative territory but less deeply with a rating of minus 6% – down 2 since May.”
There’s also a same-sex marriage question, which puts public support for marriage equality at 68%, which from memory is similar to the recent Essential poll number on this question. As my colleague Shalailah Medhora reports this morning, Labor will keep up the pressure on the Coalition to make clear where it stands on granting a conscience vote on same-sex marriage by resuming a debate on its private member’s bill later this morning. Deputy opposition leader Tanya Plibersek and former government chief whip Philip Ruddock will each speak to the bill for five minutes during Monday’s allotment for private member’s business.There’s also a same-sex marriage question, which puts public support for marriage equality at 68%, which from memory is similar to the recent Essential poll number on this question. As my colleague Shalailah Medhora reports this morning, Labor will keep up the pressure on the Coalition to make clear where it stands on granting a conscience vote on same-sex marriage by resuming a debate on its private member’s bill later this morning. Deputy opposition leader Tanya Plibersek and former government chief whip Philip Ruddock will each speak to the bill for five minutes during Monday’s allotment for private member’s business.
So let’s sprint forward into Monday. The comments thread is now wide open for your business, and you can reach Mikearoo and I on the Twits @murpharoo and @mpbowersSo let’s sprint forward into Monday. The comments thread is now wide open for your business, and you can reach Mikearoo and I on the Twits @murpharoo and @mpbowers
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