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Cameron says search laws must go Brown urged to act on stop laws
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David Cameron says he would scrap "out of date" stop and search laws aimed at protecting black and Asian youths. Gordon Brown has insisted the government is "taking action" on police red tape - as David Cameron called for stop and search rules to be relaxed.
The Tory leader said the laws - which say officers must have reasonable grounds to search someone - were brought in to combat police racism. Mr Cameron urged Mr Brown to scrap the "foot-long" form officers must fill in when they stop someone - which he said was "a colossal waste of police time".
But Mr Cameron said that was no longer a problem - and now the rules were "getting in the way of protecting" ethnic communities from violent crime. Mr Brown said the Flanagan Report on the issue will be published next week.
It comes as the government plans to extend routine stop and search powers. Both the government and the Tories want to extend routine stop and search powers, to combat gun and knife crime.
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith is due to make an announcement in Parliament in the next few days on the government's strategy to combat gun and knife crime.
Young black and British Asian kids...are being stabbed and shot and the rules are getting in the way of protecting them David CameronConservative leaderYoung black and British Asian kids...are being stabbed and shot and the rules are getting in the way of protecting them David CameronConservative leader
The BBC understands she will promise to cut some of the red tape surrounding stop and search. Mr Cameron said the first step was to scrap unneccesary red tape such as the "stop forms," which he says prevents police from carrying out more stop and search exercises.
Currently officers who stop someone have to say why and fill out a form, a copy of which is handed to the suspect. Police say this prevents them from searching large numbers of suspects. Speaking at prime minister's questions in the Commons, Mr Cameron said: "For more than three years the Conservative Party has been arguing that we should scrap the form that police have to fill in every time they stop someone.
Home Office Minister Tony McNulty told Sky News the government was considering scrapping the police "stop form" which officers claim can take up to seven minutes to fill out. "It is a foot long and takes seven minutes to complete. Will you confirm that the government will now scrap the stop form?"
Police 'racism' 'Out of date'
Ms Smith will also extend the use of routine stop and search where, in some circumstances, officers can search people without giving reasonable grounds for suspicion. Mr Brown said: "The Flanagan report that was published in November recommended that we reduce and remove the bureaucracy associated with the filling in of forms.
class="lp" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/default.stm">HAVE YOUR SAYIf the police have no suspicion then why should they by allowed to stop and search people on a whim?Adrian Mugridge, Chester class="" href="http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=4184">Send us your comments "He will publish his final report next Monday. We are taking the action that is necessary and you should be supporting us."
Both the government and the Conservatives believe local police commanders should be given more control over stop and search powers. In an interim report published last year, Sir Ronnie Flanagan, the chief inspector of constabulary in England and Wales, said were police bogged down in red tape and afraid to use their own judgement.
Mr Cameron said rules saying officers must have "reasonable grounds" to suspect someone has committed a crime to search them - brought in to address concerns black and Asian suspects were being targeted by police - were "out of date". Home Secretary Jacqui Smith is expected to announce in the next few days that more police officers will be given the power to search people without giving a reason.
He told The Sun newspaper: "In the British police service there were problems with racism, there were problems with attitude. That needed to change. I think it has now been changed." Mr Cameron told the BBC he would back the government if it scrapped the stop and search restrictions.
Protection He said the rules had been brought in to protect black and Asian communities from racist police officers but were now harming the communities they were meant to help.
Mr Cameron said it was now possible for police to carry out stop and searches "without being accused of racism". He said concern about a return to "sus" laws - one of the factors behind inner city riots in the early 1980s - were misplaced and the police were no longer racist.
He said a Conservative government would carry out a review of the best way to increase the number of suspects being searched and any changes would be implemented "rapidly". "We need to make sure the police behave properly but I think there is a big change in policing since the 1980s and they understand concerns about racism, concerns about targeting particular groups," Mr Cameron told BBC News.
He said there was widespread support for more stop and search powers within ethnic minority communities. He said black and Asian communities would have to accept more stop and search but that it was necessary to combat the growth of violent crime in those communities.
"Stop and search rules were put in place to protect young black and Asian British kids. "It may mean more stopping and searching - it should mean more stopping and searching - but I think that has to happen," added Mr Cameron.
Speaking earlier, in an interview with The Sun, Mr Cameron said: "Stop and search rules were put in place to protect young black and Asian British kids.
"Now it's the young black and British Asian kids that are being stabbed and shot and the rules are getting in the way of protecting them.""Now it's the young black and British Asian kids that are being stabbed and shot and the rules are getting in the way of protecting them."
Crime 'hotspots'
He said a Conservative government would need to work out whether the rules on "reasonable suspicion" should be scrapped altogether or replaced with the "say-so of an inspector or sergeant or lower".He said a Conservative government would need to work out whether the rules on "reasonable suspicion" should be scrapped altogether or replaced with the "say-so of an inspector or sergeant or lower".
"But those current laws, be in no doubt, have to go.""But those current laws, be in no doubt, have to go."
He added: "This is not about race. It's about stopping crime and reducing the number of victims of crime.He added: "This is not about race. It's about stopping crime and reducing the number of victims of crime.
"The statistics are undeniable and it's clear by carrying out more stop and searches it is the black and Asian communities who will benefit most.""The statistics are undeniable and it's clear by carrying out more stop and searches it is the black and Asian communities who will benefit most."
The government has been trialling routine stop and search powers for police in so-called gun and knife "hotspots" but the powers could shortly be extended to other parts of the country.