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| Tories target long-term jobless | Tories target long-term jobless |
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| The long term unemployed would be forced to work for their benefits under plans outlined by the Conservatives. | The long term unemployed would be forced to work for their benefits under plans outlined by the Conservatives. |
| People claiming Jobseekers' Allowance for more than two years would have to do 12 months community work. | People claiming Jobseekers' Allowance for more than two years would have to do 12 months community work. |
| Tory leader David Cameron said he wanted to help people get back into work and end the "something for nothing culture" of benefit "dependency". | Tory leader David Cameron said he wanted to help people get back into work and end the "something for nothing culture" of benefit "dependency". |
| But Work and Pensions Secretary Peter Hain said the scheme would be expensive and would not help people get jobs. | But Work and Pensions Secretary Peter Hain said the scheme would be expensive and would not help people get jobs. |
| Under the Tory plans, the two-year limit on job seekers' allowance would apply to "continuous and cumulative periods of unemployment". | Under the Tory plans, the two-year limit on job seekers' allowance would apply to "continuous and cumulative periods of unemployment". |
| The party says it wants to stop people claiming for years at a time, by signing off for short periods or taking a job for a short period, then going back on benefits. | The party says it wants to stop people claiming for years at a time, by signing off for short periods or taking a job for a short period, then going back on benefits. |
| Where is the dignity in sitting at home, dependent on the state, not having a job? David CameronConservative leader class="" href="http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=4019&edition=1">Your say: Work for benefits | |
| The long-term unemployed would have to take part in a 12-month programme involving "valuable improvement and amenity work in the areas where they live". | The long-term unemployed would have to take part in a 12-month programme involving "valuable improvement and amenity work in the areas where they live". |
| 'Reasonable offer' | 'Reasonable offer' |
| The jobless would also have to spend most of the working week at "back to work centres", run by independent groups, where they would receive training and guidance to help find a job. | The jobless would also have to spend most of the working week at "back to work centres", run by independent groups, where they would receive training and guidance to help find a job. |
| All job seekers would be screened as soon as they start claiming - those with a "track record" of claiming benefits would be referred to the centres straight away. Others would be given a "grace period" to find a job. | All job seekers would be screened as soon as they start claiming - those with a "track record" of claiming benefits would be referred to the centres straight away. Others would be given a "grace period" to find a job. |
| The proposals are mainly aimed at the 68,000 on Jobseekers' Allowance for more than two years and the 16,000 on the benefit for more than five years. | The proposals are mainly aimed at the 68,000 on Jobseekers' Allowance for more than two years and the 16,000 on the benefit for more than five years. |
| The Tories have also unveiled plans to cut the number of people on incapacity benefit by 200,000. | The Tories have also unveiled plans to cut the number of people on incapacity benefit by 200,000. |
| All 2.64 million incapacity benefit claimants would be reassessed by doctors and, if passed fit for work, placed on Jobseekers' Allowance, a benefit cut of £20 a week. | All 2.64 million incapacity benefit claimants would be reassessed by doctors and, if passed fit for work, placed on Jobseekers' Allowance, a benefit cut of £20 a week. |
| In addition, jobless people who refuses a "reasonable" offer of employment would lose one month's benefit for the first job offer, three months for the second, and up to three years for the third in a "three strikes and you're out" policy. | In addition, jobless people who refuses a "reasonable" offer of employment would lose one month's benefit for the first job offer, three months for the second, and up to three years for the third in a "three strikes and you're out" policy. |
| 'Thought-through package' | 'Thought-through package' |
| Mr Cameron told BBC Breakfast: "We cannot go on as we are with 2.6 million people on incapacity benefit, 500,000 of them are under 35. | Mr Cameron told BBC Breakfast: "We cannot go on as we are with 2.6 million people on incapacity benefit, 500,000 of them are under 35. |
| If you divert people into mandatory community activities they don't get a job at the end of it Peter HainWork and Pensions Secretary | If you divert people into mandatory community activities they don't get a job at the end of it Peter HainWork and Pensions Secretary |
| "Are we really saying there are half a million people in this country under 35 who are simply too ill to work? I don't think that's right. | "Are we really saying there are half a million people in this country under 35 who are simply too ill to work? I don't think that's right. |
| "I think we have got to make changes and this is a genuinely thought-through and worked-out package which I think will help get more people into work and help them make better lives for themselves and their families." | "I think we have got to make changes and this is a genuinely thought-through and worked-out package which I think will help get more people into work and help them make better lives for themselves and their families." |
| Asked if working for benefits, rather than the national minimum wage, would be an affront to people's dignity, he said: "Where is the dignity in sitting at home, dependent on the state, not having a job?" | Asked if working for benefits, rather than the national minimum wage, would be an affront to people's dignity, he said: "Where is the dignity in sitting at home, dependent on the state, not having a job?" |
| He said the idea was to "get people back in touch with work". | He said the idea was to "get people back in touch with work". |
| 'Nasty party' | 'Nasty party' |
| Asked if those forced to work for benefits would have to wear uniforms, as claimed in newspaper reports, Mr Cameron said it would be down to the companies running the schemes. | Asked if those forced to work for benefits would have to wear uniforms, as claimed in newspaper reports, Mr Cameron said it would be down to the companies running the schemes. |
| He denied the plans represented a return to the Conservatives' "nasty party" image. | He denied the plans represented a return to the Conservatives' "nasty party" image. |
| "What is nasty is leaving people on benefits for years and years and giving up on them," he told Sky News. | "What is nasty is leaving people on benefits for years and years and giving up on them," he told Sky News. |
| Work and Pensions Secretary Peter Hain said the Tory plans were "hugely costly" and would not work. | Work and Pensions Secretary Peter Hain said the Tory plans were "hugely costly" and would not work. |
| "If you divert people into mandatory community activities they don't get a job at the end of it," said Mr Hain. | "If you divert people into mandatory community activities they don't get a job at the end of it," said Mr Hain. |
| He said the way to get people back into work was through new skills and training. | He said the way to get people back into work was through new skills and training. |
| Kate Green, of the Child Poverty Action Group, said British rules on claiming incapacity benefit were already among the strictest in the world, and levels of fraud were small compared with the amount that went unclaimed. | Kate Green, of the Child Poverty Action Group, said British rules on claiming incapacity benefit were already among the strictest in the world, and levels of fraud were small compared with the amount that went unclaimed. |
| "We are talking about families in real hardship struggling to bring up their kids," she said. | "We are talking about families in real hardship struggling to bring up their kids," she said. |