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| One of North Korea’s most senior diplomats warned on Monday that if any effort was made to charge the country’s leader, Kim Jong-un, with crimes against humanity at the International Criminal Court, the North would take unspecified “countermeasures.” | |
| The United Nations envoy, Jang Il Hun, also denied that the country had political prisoners. | |
| The statements by Mr. Jang came in a rare and sometimes heated hourlong discussion of the country’s reaction to a United Nations report in February — which included satellite photographs of a network of prison camps, and interviews with dissidents who had escaped from them — as well as North Korea’s nuclear policies. While he hewed to Pyongyang’s official talking points about the report, he did not rule out allowing outside inspectors to visit the sites in the future. | The statements by Mr. Jang came in a rare and sometimes heated hourlong discussion of the country’s reaction to a United Nations report in February — which included satellite photographs of a network of prison camps, and interviews with dissidents who had escaped from them — as well as North Korea’s nuclear policies. While he hewed to Pyongyang’s official talking points about the report, he did not rule out allowing outside inspectors to visit the sites in the future. |
| “In my country we don’t even know the term ‘political prisoners,’ ” Mr. Jang, a 32-year veteran of the North Korean Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said in a session with about 40 members of the Council on Foreign Relations. He insisted that the camps in the satellite photographs were “reformatories” and denied that anyone had been forced into labor. “It is a normal prison,” he added. | “In my country we don’t even know the term ‘political prisoners,’ ” Mr. Jang, a 32-year veteran of the North Korean Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said in a session with about 40 members of the Council on Foreign Relations. He insisted that the camps in the satellite photographs were “reformatories” and denied that anyone had been forced into labor. “It is a normal prison,” he added. |
| That was not the conclusion of the Commission of Inquiry on Human Rights in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, which was created by the United Nations Human Rights Council. In its report, the commission detailed conditions in the camps and concluded in its February report that “these crimes against humanity entail extermination, murder, enslavement, torture, imprisonment, rape, forced abortions and other sexual violence, persecution on political, religious, racial and gender grounds, the forcible transfer of populations, the enforced disappearance of persons and the inhumane act of knowingly causing prolonged starvation.” | That was not the conclusion of the Commission of Inquiry on Human Rights in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, which was created by the United Nations Human Rights Council. In its report, the commission detailed conditions in the camps and concluded in its February report that “these crimes against humanity entail extermination, murder, enslavement, torture, imprisonment, rape, forced abortions and other sexual violence, persecution on political, religious, racial and gender grounds, the forcible transfer of populations, the enforced disappearance of persons and the inhumane act of knowingly causing prolonged starvation.” |
| The report concluded: “Crimes against humanity are ongoing in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea because the policies, institutions and patterns of impunity that lie at their heart remain in place.” | The report concluded: “Crimes against humanity are ongoing in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea because the policies, institutions and patterns of impunity that lie at their heart remain in place.” |
| The phrasing has led to concerns within the North Korean government that a case was being prepared for the International Criminal Court. | The phrasing has led to concerns within the North Korean government that a case was being prepared for the International Criminal Court. |
| “They are clearly stung by the thought that the I.C.C. could be targeting the leadership,” said Gary Bass, a Princeton University professor who has written extensively on human rights and national security, and participated in the dialogue with Mr. Jang. Mr. Bass noted that Mr. Jang did not “slam the door completely” on visits to the prisons, but said it was “hard to imagine” that the North would allow them. | “They are clearly stung by the thought that the I.C.C. could be targeting the leadership,” said Gary Bass, a Princeton University professor who has written extensively on human rights and national security, and participated in the dialogue with Mr. Jang. Mr. Bass noted that Mr. Jang did not “slam the door completely” on visits to the prisons, but said it was “hard to imagine” that the North would allow them. |
| Mr. Jang made no reference to the health of Mr. Kim, who reappeared last week after a five-week absence from any public events, a disappearance that led to talk of a possible coup. | Mr. Jang made no reference to the health of Mr. Kim, who reappeared last week after a five-week absence from any public events, a disappearance that led to talk of a possible coup. |
| Asked why North Korea conducted a nuclear test just months into President Obama’s presidency, in 2009, rather than seek to engage in talks with the new administration, Mr. Jang said the North was “compelled” to show its capabilities, including “the miniaturization of nuclear warheads,” because of the “hostile policies” of the new administration. | Asked why North Korea conducted a nuclear test just months into President Obama’s presidency, in 2009, rather than seek to engage in talks with the new administration, Mr. Jang said the North was “compelled” to show its capabilities, including “the miniaturization of nuclear warheads,” because of the “hostile policies” of the new administration. |
| The test, however, did not prove, at least to anyone other than the country’s own scientists, that the North had managed the difficult science of compressing a nuclear weapon into a size that could fit atop one of the country’s missiles. But it did show that the North was capable of detonating a crude nuclear explosion. | The test, however, did not prove, at least to anyone other than the country’s own scientists, that the North had managed the difficult science of compressing a nuclear weapon into a size that could fit atop one of the country’s missiles. But it did show that the North was capable of detonating a crude nuclear explosion. |
| Mr. Jang was also asked what led to the execution late last year of Mr. Kim’s uncle Jang Song-thaek after a brief trial. The fall of Mr. Jang, who had been thought to be one of the most powerful figures in the country, appeared to have its origins in a clash over who would profit from North Korea’s most lucrative exports: coal, clams and crabs. | Mr. Jang was also asked what led to the execution late last year of Mr. Kim’s uncle Jang Song-thaek after a brief trial. The fall of Mr. Jang, who had been thought to be one of the most powerful figures in the country, appeared to have its origins in a clash over who would profit from North Korea’s most lucrative exports: coal, clams and crabs. |
| Mr. Jang, the diplomat, said that the uncle had “committed a treason crime” and “illegally amassed foreign currency and broke the law by having dirty and illegal relations with so many women.” | Mr. Jang, the diplomat, said that the uncle had “committed a treason crime” and “illegally amassed foreign currency and broke the law by having dirty and illegal relations with so many women.” |
| “He deserved his own execution,” he concluded. | “He deserved his own execution,” he concluded. |