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| Death crash father seeks reform | Death crash father seeks reform |
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| A father whose 16-year-old daughter was killed in a car crash has called for the driving test to be scrapped. | A father whose 16-year-old daughter was killed in a car crash has called for the driving test to be scrapped. |
| Terry Jones says learners should have to log 200 hours of driving with an older motorist before they can take a car out on their own. | Terry Jones says learners should have to log 200 hours of driving with an older motorist before they can take a car out on their own. |
| His daughter Louise was killed, along with three teenage friends, in a car driven by a youth who had just passed his test in South Wales. | His daughter Louise was killed, along with three teenage friends, in a car driven by a youth who had just passed his test in South Wales. |
| Mr Ramshaw, from Ebbw Vale, was convicted of careless driving. | Mr Ramshaw, from Ebbw Vale, was convicted of careless driving. |
| He was banned from driving for two years but cleared of causing death by dangerous driving. | He was banned from driving for two years but cleared of causing death by dangerous driving. |
| Mr Jones told BBC Radio Five Live the driving test should be scrapped in favour of a longer programme of continuous assessment, akin to what pilots have to go through. | Mr Jones told BBC Radio Five Live the driving test should be scrapped in favour of a longer programme of continuous assessment, akin to what pilots have to go through. |
| Log book system | Log book system |
| He explained what he envisaged: "You have a log book. You've got expert drivers taking them out. | He explained what he envisaged: "You have a log book. You've got expert drivers taking them out. |
| "You're going to have 200 hours of training, but this time, the difference will be they will have to be shown how to drive. | "You're going to have 200 hours of training, but this time, the difference will be they will have to be shown how to drive. |
| They (17-year-olds) can go from nothing to driving the most powerful cars on our road and that is without having any instruction on the motorways Terry JonesFather of car crash victim Send us your comments | They (17-year-olds) can go from nothing to driving the most powerful cars on our road and that is without having any instruction on the motorways Terry JonesFather of car crash victim Send us your comments |
| "In the light, but in the light then when it's raining, in the light when it's foggy, in the light when there's snow on the ground, ice on the ground, (and) in the dark, the same." | "In the light, but in the light then when it's raining, in the light when it's foggy, in the light when there's snow on the ground, ice on the ground, (and) in the dark, the same." |
| Ms Jones died with Kayleigh Parry, 16, and 15-year-olds Katie Roberts and Danielle Caswell. | Ms Jones died with Kayleigh Parry, 16, and 15-year-olds Katie Roberts and Danielle Caswell. |
| They were travelling along a mountain road near Ebbw Vale last November when their car skidded off the road and flipped over. | They were travelling along a mountain road near Ebbw Vale last November when their car skidded off the road and flipped over. |
| Last week Ramshaw was given a conditional discharge as well as a driving ban at Cardiff Crown Court. | Last week Ramshaw was given a conditional discharge as well as a driving ban at Cardiff Crown Court. |
| His lawyer Patrick Harrington QC said he was "deeply sorry" and hoped that one day the girls' families would forgive him. | His lawyer Patrick Harrington QC said he was "deeply sorry" and hoped that one day the girls' families would forgive him. |
| Sentencing him, Judge Nicholas Cooke QC said he was too immature to hold a driving licence, both at the time of the accident and now. | Sentencing him, Judge Nicholas Cooke QC said he was too immature to hold a driving licence, both at the time of the accident and now. |
| 'Crash courses' | 'Crash courses' |
| Mr Jones wants to see the law changed to introduce a pilot-style driving course on which young people would have to log 200 hours with an experienced motorist. | Mr Jones wants to see the law changed to introduce a pilot-style driving course on which young people would have to log 200 hours with an experienced motorist. |
| HAVE YOUR SAY A test should include night driving and motorway driving Cathy, Milton Keynes Send us your comments | |
| Learners should also be allowed to drive on motorways, something they cannot do now, and should have to undergo further training before they can carry passengers, he said. | Learners should also be allowed to drive on motorways, something they cannot do now, and should have to undergo further training before they can carry passengers, he said. |
| Mr Jones has said previously that he does not bear any ill-will towards Ramshaw, but wants other young people to learn from what happened. | Mr Jones has said previously that he does not bear any ill-will towards Ramshaw, but wants other young people to learn from what happened. |
| He also criticised intensive "crash courses" which condense the learning process into a few days. | He also criticised intensive "crash courses" which condense the learning process into a few days. |
| "They (17-year-olds) can go from nothing to driving the most powerful cars on our road and that is without having any instruction on the motorways," he said. | "They (17-year-olds) can go from nothing to driving the most powerful cars on our road and that is without having any instruction on the motorways," he said. |