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April Jones trial: Five-year-old 'never been to suspect's home' April Jones trial: Five-year-old 'never been to suspect's home'
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The man accused of murdering April Jones told police he did not believe the five-year old had ever been in his house, a court has heard. A man accused of murdering April Jones told police he did not believe the five-year old had ever been in his house, a court has heard.
Mark Bridger, 47, of Ceinws, Powys, denies abducting and murdering April, who went missing from her Machynlleth home on 1 October 2012. Mark Bridger, 47, of Ceinws, Powys, denies abducting and murdering April, who went missing from near her Machynlleth home on 1 October 2012.
The prosecution has told Mold Crown Court that April's blood was found in several locations at his home.The prosecution has told Mold Crown Court that April's blood was found in several locations at his home.
Mr Bridger says he accidentally knocked her over with his Land Rover.Mr Bridger says he accidentally knocked her over with his Land Rover.
He told officers he did not know how he disposed of her body because he was suffering memory loss caused by alcohol and panic, the jury has heard.He told officers he did not know how he disposed of her body because he was suffering memory loss caused by alcohol and panic, the jury has heard.
A forensics scientist who examined the vehicle has told the court there was no evidence of any type of collision with April.A forensics scientist who examined the vehicle has told the court there was no evidence of any type of collision with April.
On Monday, the court was told that Mr Bridger was asked when April had last been in his house. He replied: "In the six hours that I lost between leaving Machynlleth... I don't believe I took her to the house because I cannot ever remember seeing her in the car." On Monday, the court was told that Mr Bridger had been asked when April had last been in his house. He replied: "In the six hours that I lost between leaving Machynlleth... I don't believe I took her to the house because I cannot ever remember seeing her in the car."
The officer said: "She's never been into your house?" Mr Bridger: "Never."The officer said: "She's never been into your house?" Mr Bridger: "Never."
He was also asked about blood found on the bathroom wall at his house which the court has heard matched April's DNA.He was also asked about blood found on the bathroom wall at his house which the court has heard matched April's DNA.
"I had obviously gone to the toilet at some stage," he said. "Obviously there has been a trace of blood on my hands... the only explanation I have got to that is I have put my hand up against the wall to go to the toilet.""I had obviously gone to the toilet at some stage," he said. "Obviously there has been a trace of blood on my hands... the only explanation I have got to that is I have put my hand up against the wall to go to the toilet."
He went on to say he may have washed his hands and flicked them, sending traces of blood onto the wall.He went on to say he may have washed his hands and flicked them, sending traces of blood onto the wall.
The officer asked whether the blood was there because April had been assaulted in the bathroom. He replied: "Not at all."The officer asked whether the blood was there because April had been assaulted in the bathroom. He replied: "Not at all."
Earlier, in written evidence from a detention officer, Mr Bridger discussed the ways in which he had possibly disposed of April's body.Earlier, in written evidence from a detention officer, Mr Bridger discussed the ways in which he had possibly disposed of April's body.
The court heard how he would not have got rid of the body in water because he was "scared of drowning".The court heard how he would not have got rid of the body in water because he was "scared of drowning".
The jury was also told the defendant spoke about the possibility of burning April but said he knew through his fire training that like pork, human flesh "smells".The jury was also told the defendant spoke about the possibility of burning April but said he knew through his fire training that like pork, human flesh "smells".
He said he would have remembered having a fire. 'First aid'
Indecent images
Although he could not remember what he did with April, he told police: "I wouldn't have put her in a bin because that's disgusting."Although he could not remember what he did with April, he told police: "I wouldn't have put her in a bin because that's disgusting."
The court also heard details of an interview on 5 October with Det Con Louise Thomas in which he explained to police why indecent images of girls were found on his computer. In a later interview, Mr Bridger was again told there was no forensic evidence to support a fatal road collision but he dismissed evidence that April was seen getting happily into his car.
He said his "extensive knowledge of first aid" would have meant he had talked to April when he picked her up injured from under his car. "I'm talking to her as I've picked her up," he said.
He went on to say that she would not have been able to open the passenger door and was physically too small to get into the vehicle.
Later, asked if he sexually assaulted April he said: "I most certainly did not."
Asked if he killed her in the car he said "no", adding that he "didn't know she had ceased" until he tried to revive her.
Asked if he had suffocated her, he replied: "No."
Asked if he had used a sharp weapon, he said: "I did not use any sharp implement or knife to injure."
He went on to say: "I did not sexually assault April... there was no sexual assault on April."
The officer went on to ask about his viewing of sexual images on the day April went missing and suggested it was a "build up" of sexual frustration. He replied: "Why hasn't it built up before then?"
It was put to him that he had sexually assaulted April and did not want her body found because it would provide evidence.
Indecent images
He said: "This is not the case at all... I have stuck by my story and I still stick by my story."
He went on to say that he wanted in his "heart of hearts" to say "sorry" to April's parents because he wanted them to be able to lay her to rest.
The jury heard this was Mr Bridger's final police interview and he was later charged with her murder.
On Monday morning, the court had heard details of an interview in which he explained to police why indecent images of girls were found on his computer.
He said he had been researching body and breast development so he could better understand how his daughter was growing up.He said he had been researching body and breast development so he could better understand how his daughter was growing up.
The public gallery was then cleared as the jury heard about images on Mr Bridger's computer which were discussed in his police interview. Some images were shown in court.
He again claimed indecent pictures of young girls on his laptop were just to help him with his research into his daughter's development.
In response to one picture, he said: "I get no sexual pleasure at all... not from that."
He then described having "problems with erections" and said it affected his last relationship.
Asked whether he remembered searching on the internet for "naked young five-year-old girls", he replied: "No."
He went on to discuss some of the sexual cartoon images that were found on his computer which he said were "disgusting" and "not for sexual pleasure at all".
He had hand-written between five and 10 letters of complaint to companies in Belgium, Holland, Germany and Britain.
He said he had received no replies but decided to keep the pictures in case the images were taken down so he could say "that's not what you were showing before".
Shown a picture of a young child on a potty, he again said it was for breast development research purposes.
Asked how he felt about the picture, he said: "The way you have put it across to me now, I feel like a pervert... you think I've taken them for my own sexual pleasure and that's not the case."
When asked about one cartoon image, he said: "This is not adult porn, this is sick." Discussing further images, he said: "Whoever gets off on these has got a serious problem, and obviously these are cartoons."
April picture
Later in the interview he was shown a Facebook-type picture of April with one of her older sisters.Later in the interview he was shown a Facebook-type picture of April with one of her older sisters.
Asked if he knew who the younger girl was, he replied: "That is April."Asked if he knew who the younger girl was, he replied: "That is April."
The interviewer noted at this point that Mr Bridger appeared upset.The interviewer noted at this point that Mr Bridger appeared upset.
He was also asked whether there was any coincidence that he had researched murders of young girls and was now being questioned about April's death.He was also asked whether there was any coincidence that he had researched murders of young girls and was now being questioned about April's death.
He replied: "There shouldn't be because I told you the story of April... I didn't abduct her," adding that it had been an accident and there had been no sexual pleasure.He replied: "There shouldn't be because I told you the story of April... I didn't abduct her," adding that it had been an accident and there had been no sexual pleasure.
Later, the interviewer pointed out that there had been large age gaps between Mr Bridger and his former girlfriends - a 20 year age gap with his most recent girlfriend. Biggest search
Asked if he liked young girls, he replied: "Young girls no, young women yes." After the lunch break, the jury heard from lead police search advisor Insp Gareth Thomas, who said he had been told the search was the largest in British policing history.
After lunch, the jury heard evidence from another interview on 5 October in which Det Con Louise Thomas told the defendant there was nothing forensically - hair, skin or blood - in his vehicle to back up his claims of an accident. There were 689 separate search areas over 32 square kilometres of "varying geography". Mountain rescue, fire services, coastguards, specialist search teams, dogs and others were all involved.
He said: "That is obviously very, very strange... if I ever abducted her and put her in the car there would be some sort of hair and fingerprints and things." The search of Machynlleth town alone was arguably the biggest search that Dyfed Powys Police had ever carried out, the court heard.
Questioned further, he repeated that there was no blood in the car. Asked whether April would have been found if she had been there, he said he was "extremely confident" that would have been the case.
He said: "I would have expected to see blood from her mouth, blood from her torso... there was nothing visible... I blew into her mouth, I would've tasted blood." The jury later heard written evidence from three women who Mr Bridger had propositioned on Facebook on the day April had disappeared.
As well as abduction and murder, he also denies intending to pervert the course of justice. Two of them ignored his offer while another, a woman who once worked with him at a Llanidloes abattoir, agreed to a drink as friends, the court was told.
As well as abduction and murder, Mr Bridger also denies intending to pervert the course of justice.
The case continues.The case continues.