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The work and pensions secretary, Iain Duncan Smith, has said he could live on £53 in benefits a week. The work and pensions secretary, Iain Duncan Smith, has been challenged to prove that he can fulfil his claim that he could live on £53 a week in benefits.
He made his statement as welfare reforms came into effect on Monday, including the so-called bedroom tax. It follows an interview on Sunday by Grant Schapps, the former housing minister and Conservative party chairman, who said his two sons shared a bedroom at his four-bed home. Defending the vast array of welfare reforms being introduced this week as part of the government's deficit reduction programme, Duncan Smith was asked on BBC Radio 4 whether, following an example of a market trader David Bennett, he could survive on £53 a week — the amount Bennett claimed he was left with to live on and roughly equivalent to the lowest rate of jobseeker's allowance given to adults under 25.
Interviewed on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Duncan Smith was challenged on whether he could live on £7.57 a day, which was said to be the lowest rate of jobseeker's allowance given to adults under 25. In fact the current rate is £56.25 a week. "If I had to I would, "Duncan Smith replied. His claim prompted an online petition calling on him to prove it that chalked up 25,000 signatures in its first day.
"If I had to I would," he replied. Duncan Smith, who has headed up the coalition's welfare changes, said the government's reforms were intended to get welfare "back into order". It follows an interview on Sunday by Grant Shapps, the Conservative party chairman, in which he cited the fact that his two sons shared a bedroom at his four-bed home, in defence of the so-called bedroom tax.
"We are in an economic mess," he said. "We inherited a problem where we simply do not have the money to spend on all the things people would like us to do. What I am trying to do is get this so we don't spend money on things that are unfair." Duncan Smith earns £1,600 a week after tax as a cabinet minister and his travel fares would cost £20 or more from his home to Westminster.
The welfare minister is understood to have received benefits for a number of months after leaving the army when he was in his 20s. Several MPs including most recently the shadow culture minister, Helen Goodman, have tried to live on minimum means. Goodman tried to spend a week last month spending no more than £18 a week on food, the amount she claims will be left for some of her constituents once they have lost some of their housing benefit due to the so-called bedroom tax.
Duncan Smith urged critics to get the issue in perspective, arguing that there was already no funding for extra rooms when people received housing benefit to rent privately. Years ago, Mathew Parris, then a Conservative MP, lived on benefit for a week for TV programme World in Action.
Duncan Smith admitted that the overall welfare bill is rising if pensions are included, but insisted that the working-age welfare bill will fall by the end of the parliament.
Defending the welfare reforms that begin this week, he said: "We are in an economic mess. We inherited a problem where we simply do not have the money to spend on all the things people would like us to do. What I am trying to do is get this so we don't spend money on things that are unfair."
Duncan Smith urged critics of the so-called bedroom tax to get the issue in perspective, arguing that there was already no funding for extra rooms when people received housing benefit to rent privately.
"They are exactly the same group of people," he said. "The reality is taxpayers are subsidising people to live in these homes. They need to be reassured.""They are exactly the same group of people," he said. "The reality is taxpayers are subsidising people to live in these homes. They need to be reassured."
The minister said the housing benefit bill had doubled in 10 years under Labour, and a quarter of a million people were living in overcrowded social housing.The minister said the housing benefit bill had doubled in 10 years under Labour, and a quarter of a million people were living in overcrowded social housing.
"What I am trying to do is at least use the money we have got to be fair," he said. "What we are trying to do is get control of the welfare bill … without actually slashing or attacking people, we are trying to reform and change it.""What I am trying to do is at least use the money we have got to be fair," he said. "What we are trying to do is get control of the welfare bill … without actually slashing or attacking people, we are trying to reform and change it."
Answering questions on Sunday about whether scrapping a spare-room subsidy for social housing was fair, Shapps told Sky News it would free up housing waiting lists and added that two of his three children shared a room. As many as 660,000 social housing tenants are deemed to have a spare room and will lose an average £14 a week.
"It is wrong to leave people out in the cold with effectively no roof over their heads because the taxpayer is paying for rooms which aren't in use. People share rooms quite commonly – my boys share a room." Changes to council tax benefit will see bills for an estimated 2.4 million households rise an average £138 a year, with two million paying for the first time, an anti-poverty group said.
However, soon after the interview Sky News's political producer Vincent McAviney revealed that Shapps lives in a four-bed house with one room used as a study. Shapps was also under pressure to justify claims that more than a third of people who were on incapacity benefit dropped their claims rather than complete a medical assessment, according to government figures.
"@grantshapps has told me that his home has 4 bedrooms with one being used as a study, ergo his children do not have to share room," he tweeted. Shapps is understood to have answered that the difference was the taxpayer wasn't funding his living arrangements. It was claimed 878,300 chose not to be checked for their fitness to work under tests brought in when the benefit was replaced by employment support allowance in 2008. But the figure takes no account of those that did not take a test because they found work or became better, and assumes all were motivated by a desire to avoid questions that would reveal they had no incapacity.
Case study
Connie, from north-west London, is just four years younger than Iain Duncan Smith, but that's where the similarities end. Financially comfortable as an IT teacher at a further education college until she was made redundant, she now gets by on an income around 2% of the size of that received by the work and pensions secretary.
Connie, 54, and her husband, David, get £225.80 a fortnight in jobseeker's allowance between them, or just over £56 a week each. Connie is scathing about Duncan Smith's protestation that he could live on such an amount.
"It's almost impossible," she said. "He could maybe live like that briefly, but he couldn't sustain living like that. He can't even imagine the things he'd need to budget for. Nobody helps you with the stamps to apply for jobs. You have to carefully budget for getting the bus. We get a card which gives us a 50% discount for the buses, but you need to find the money for the photograph on the discount card."
Connie and her husband, a former driver and warehouseman, are actively looking for work. She hands out her CV at conferences and is studying at the Open University to acquire new skills. In the meantime, like many on minimum benefits, they find the sums don't quite add up. "At the moment we have about £3 a week left for food after all the bills are paid. We only survive because of family. My mother-in-law pays for all our food. If it wasn't for that we'd be destitute."
When the boiler in their flat stopped working before Christmas Connie sold her guitar to pay for the repair and tracked down a plumber who would agree to tell them what parts they needed to buy and then return to fit them, to minimise the bill. She said: "I haven't got many more things I can sell. We can't keep on living like this for much longer."