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| Scottish independence: Lords debate referendum order | Scottish independence: Lords debate referendum order |
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| The House of Lords is debating whether to approve the transfer of powers to Holyrood to allow it to hold a referendum on Scottish independence. | The House of Lords is debating whether to approve the transfer of powers to Holyrood to allow it to hold a referendum on Scottish independence. |
| MPs have already unanimously approved the so-called section 30 order. | MPs have already unanimously approved the so-called section 30 order. |
| The issue is expected to be passed but some lords are expected to voice opposition. | The issue is expected to be passed but some lords are expected to voice opposition. |
| Tory peer Lord Forsyth has expressed concerns that the transfer of powers should only happen once the exact date and question have been agreed. | Tory peer Lord Forsyth has expressed concerns that the transfer of powers should only happen once the exact date and question have been agreed. |
| The Scottish government wants to hold its Scottish independence referendum in autumn 2014. | The Scottish government wants to hold its Scottish independence referendum in autumn 2014. |
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| Earl of Caithness asking what discussions there've been about Orkney and Shetland determining their own future #indyref | |
| 18 Minutes ago | |
| Liddell echoes many views when says "surely not beyond wit of modern democracy" to allow service personnel to vote in #indyref | Liddell echoes many views when says "surely not beyond wit of modern democracy" to allow service personnel to vote in #indyref |
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| Baroness Liddell, 1st woman to speak in Sec30 debate, says FM relying on "boredom or complacency" in delaying #indyref | Baroness Liddell, 1st woman to speak in Sec30 debate, says FM relying on "boredom or complacency" in delaying #indyref |
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| Cormack claims Edinburgh Agreement was a "capitulation" - PM and Scots Sec "conceded far too much." | Cormack claims Edinburgh Agreement was a "capitulation" - PM and Scots Sec "conceded far too much." |
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| Conservative peer Lord Cormack "We cannot assume the referendum will go in the way most of us in this chamber would like it to go" | Conservative peer Lord Cormack "We cannot assume the referendum will go in the way most of us in this chamber would like it to go" |
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| The UK government has control of constitutional matters but if the special section 30 order is approved by Westminster powers to hold the historic vote will be handed to Holyrood. | The UK government has control of constitutional matters but if the special section 30 order is approved by Westminster powers to hold the historic vote will be handed to Holyrood. |
| First Minister Alex Salmond's government will then be able to bring forward a referendum bill which will set out the wording of the question; the date of the referendum and the rules of the campaign. | First Minister Alex Salmond's government will then be able to bring forward a referendum bill which will set out the wording of the question; the date of the referendum and the rules of the campaign. |
| Ahead of the Lords debate, former Scottish secretary of state Lord Forsyth told the BBC: "What I am saying to the government is look don't you think it might be wise to get from Alex Salmond a clear indication of what the question is and also have the advice from the Electoral Commission as to what they think of this proposed question. | Ahead of the Lords debate, former Scottish secretary of state Lord Forsyth told the BBC: "What I am saying to the government is look don't you think it might be wise to get from Alex Salmond a clear indication of what the question is and also have the advice from the Electoral Commission as to what they think of this proposed question. |
| "I think once he [Mr Salmond] has got that power he'll do exactly what he likes and the very last thing that we want is for a referendum where people argue that some aspect of it was not fair." | "I think once he [Mr Salmond] has got that power he'll do exactly what he likes and the very last thing that we want is for a referendum where people argue that some aspect of it was not fair." |
| 'Sticks in craw' | 'Sticks in craw' |
| Mr Salmond hit back at the peer, saying "we don't need lessons from Lord Forsyth and the unelected House of Lords". | Mr Salmond hit back at the peer, saying "we don't need lessons from Lord Forsyth and the unelected House of Lords". |
| He added: "These people, who are in the last ditch, they cannot stand the idea that Scotland is now in charge of our own destiny - that is basically what sticks in the craw of Lord Forsyth and he and his colleagues, I suspect, will be in the last ditch for some time to come." | He added: "These people, who are in the last ditch, they cannot stand the idea that Scotland is now in charge of our own destiny - that is basically what sticks in the craw of Lord Forsyth and he and his colleagues, I suspect, will be in the last ditch for some time to come." |
| If the Lords back the section 30 order the matter will then be sent to the Privy Council, which is a body of senior UK political figures, for final approval. | If the Lords back the section 30 order the matter will then be sent to the Privy Council, which is a body of senior UK political figures, for final approval. |