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First Minister Rhodri Morgan will be warned by Labour MPs against "rushing and blank cheques" in Welsh assembly coalition talks with Plaid Cymru. | First Minister Rhodri Morgan will be warned by Labour MPs against "rushing and blank cheques" in Welsh assembly coalition talks with Plaid Cymru. |
There remains strong opposition to any offer of a referendum on giving the assembly full law-making powers to keep Labour in office in Cardiff Bay. | There remains strong opposition to any offer of a referendum on giving the assembly full law-making powers to keep Labour in office in Cardiff Bay. |
Welsh Secretary Peter Hain and Labour AMs want a special party conference held to consider any deal with Plaid. | |
The party's Welsh executive is expected to meet soon to consider the calls. | |
It is the only body which can call such a conference. | |
A Labour spokesperson said there was "unanimous support" for holding one when the party's assembly group met on Wednesday morning. | |
Mr Hain has previously ruled out the possibility of a Lab-Plaid coalition. | Mr Hain has previously ruled out the possibility of a Lab-Plaid coalition. |
The BBC understands he thinks it would be "unthinkable" not to consult party members on such plans. | The BBC understands he thinks it would be "unthinkable" not to consult party members on such plans. |
In the run-up to the Welsh assembly election campaign, Mr Hain told the House of Commons he ruled out a coalition with Plaid and said he did not think Labour's grass-roots would accept it. | In the run-up to the Welsh assembly election campaign, Mr Hain told the House of Commons he ruled out a coalition with Plaid and said he did not think Labour's grass-roots would accept it. |
But initial proposals have been exchanged between the two parties ahead of detailed negotiations on a possible deal which are expected to begin on Thursday afternoon. | But initial proposals have been exchanged between the two parties ahead of detailed negotiations on a possible deal which are expected to begin on Thursday afternoon. |
Plaid AMs have given unanimous support for the talks with Labour, and are understood to have been guaranteed a referendum on full assembly powers. | Plaid AMs have given unanimous support for the talks with Labour, and are understood to have been guaranteed a referendum on full assembly powers. |
Mr Morgan will meet the Welsh group of Labour MPs on Wednesday evening to explain the merits of any deal with their opponents. | Mr Morgan will meet the Welsh group of Labour MPs on Wednesday evening to explain the merits of any deal with their opponents. |
A sea change on a par with a Labour coalition with the Tories in London Former UK Labour minister | A sea change on a par with a Labour coalition with the Tories in London Former UK Labour minister |
One senior MP said: "We want to know what he has put on offer, what discussions he has had on policy, we want the maximum consultation and no rushing. | One senior MP said: "We want to know what he has put on offer, what discussions he has had on policy, we want the maximum consultation and no rushing. |
"There must be no rushing and no blank cheques," he added. | |
The source said it would be "crazy" to offer a timetable for a referendum that might be lost. | The source said it would be "crazy" to offer a timetable for a referendum that might be lost. |
Traditional enemies | Traditional enemies |
A UK government source said: "There are some things that are unpalatable but there is the political reality of having 26 seats (five short of a majority). | A UK government source said: "There are some things that are unpalatable but there is the political reality of having 26 seats (five short of a majority). |
It's not just about a referendum, it's about a programme for government Ieuan Wyn Jones, Plaid Cymru leader | It's not just about a referendum, it's about a programme for government Ieuan Wyn Jones, Plaid Cymru leader |
One former minister warned there was no degree of enthusiasm for a Plaid coalition. | |
"They are our main opponents in Wales," he said. | "They are our main opponents in Wales," he said. |
But he added that he would tolerate a coalition if it was endorsed by Welsh Labour as a whole. | But he added that he would tolerate a coalition if it was endorsed by Welsh Labour as a whole. |
He said an alliance with Plaid was "a sea change on a par with a Labour coalition with the Tories in London". | He said an alliance with Plaid was "a sea change on a par with a Labour coalition with the Tories in London". |
Plaid leader Ieuan Wyn Jones, who is also talking to Tories and Lib Dems, said parties must set aside their rivalries. | Plaid leader Ieuan Wyn Jones, who is also talking to Tories and Lib Dems, said parties must set aside their rivalries. |
Mr Jones confirmed that cabinet seats for his party would be part of any deal with Labour. | Mr Jones confirmed that cabinet seats for his party would be part of any deal with Labour. |
Plaid's 15 AMs backed the Labour discussions at a meeting on Tuesday night. | Plaid's 15 AMs backed the Labour discussions at a meeting on Tuesday night. |
Mr Jones told BBC Radio Wales that Labour had offered "fresh information that is interesting and we need to explore that now". | Mr Jones told BBC Radio Wales that Labour had offered "fresh information that is interesting and we need to explore that now". |
He said it was "difficult to go into detail" about what was on the table, but said his concern was a deal that was "in the best interests of the people of Wales." | He said it was "difficult to go into detail" about what was on the table, but said his concern was a deal that was "in the best interests of the people of Wales." |
However, he said a referendum on a full parliamentary system would be a "key demand". | However, he said a referendum on a full parliamentary system would be a "key demand". |
The two largest parties in the Senedd may form a coalitionBut he added: "It's not just about a referendum, it's about a programme for government. | The two largest parties in the Senedd may form a coalitionBut he added: "It's not just about a referendum, it's about a programme for government. |
"You can't have a four-year programme of government round a single issue... it has to be about the total package." | "You can't have a four-year programme of government round a single issue... it has to be about the total package." |
Stable government | Stable government |
Mr Jones said it was about "securing a good deal for the people of Wales". | Mr Jones said it was about "securing a good deal for the people of Wales". |
"My aim is to make sure that by the summer there will be a stable government here in Cardiff Bay," he said. | "My aim is to make sure that by the summer there will be a stable government here in Cardiff Bay," he said. |
The development is one of a series of twists and turns in Cardiff Bay since the 3 May election. | The development is one of a series of twists and turns in Cardiff Bay since the 3 May election. |
Mike German, leader of the six Liberal Democrats in the assembly, said Labour were "desperately keen on making sure they hang on by their fingertips to power". | Mike German, leader of the six Liberal Democrats in the assembly, said Labour were "desperately keen on making sure they hang on by their fingertips to power". |
Welsh Conservative leader Nick Bourne said: "Our position remains unchanged. We think Wales will be best served by a non-Labour alternative." | Welsh Conservative leader Nick Bourne said: "Our position remains unchanged. We think Wales will be best served by a non-Labour alternative." |