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The government has won Commons support for plans to renew the UK's nuclear submarine system, despite a large rebellion by Labour MPs. | The government has won Commons support for plans to renew the UK's nuclear submarine system, despite a large rebellion by Labour MPs. |
Tony Blair had said it was "essential" the UK began the £20bn plan to renew Trident as soon as possible. | Tony Blair had said it was "essential" the UK began the £20bn plan to renew Trident as soon as possible. |
After six hours of debate, 409 MPs supported the proposals, and 161 were against - a majority of 248. | After six hours of debate, 409 MPs supported the proposals, and 161 were against - a majority of 248. |
Earlier 413 MPs had rejected a bid to delay the decision, with 95 Labour rebels among 167 MPs wanting a delay. | Earlier 413 MPs had rejected a bid to delay the decision, with 95 Labour rebels among 167 MPs wanting a delay. |
Rebels included 16 former ministers, including four ex-Cabinet members. | |
On the government's motion to proceed with renewal there were 88 Labour rebels. | On the government's motion to proceed with renewal there were 88 Labour rebels. |
It was the first time MPs had been given the chance to vote on whether Britain should remain a nuclear power, and the biggest backbench rebellion since the beginning of the Iraq war. | |
The government needed Conservative support to push the measure through. | |
Several hundred demonstrators were gathered outside Parliament, and cheered when they heard the scale of the rebellion. | |
'Healthy debate' | |
Between £15bn and £20bn would be spent on new submarines to carry the Trident missiles. The fleet would take 17 years to develop and build, and would then last until about 2050. | Between £15bn and £20bn would be spent on new submarines to carry the Trident missiles. The fleet would take 17 years to develop and build, and would then last until about 2050. |
Defence minister Adam Ingram, speaking after the vote, said he had heard some "disgraceful" speeches from Labour rebels, but it had been a "strong and healthy" debate. | Defence minister Adam Ingram, speaking after the vote, said he had heard some "disgraceful" speeches from Labour rebels, but it had been a "strong and healthy" debate. |
It was about us doing what we believed to be the right thing, rather than supporting the government Liam FoxConservative defence spokesman List of Labour rebels | It was about us doing what we believed to be the right thing, rather than supporting the government Liam FoxConservative defence spokesman List of Labour rebels |
Conservative defence spokesman Liam Fox said the plan was a "sound, sensible" policy that would ensure the UK would not be subject to "nuclear blackmail" from other states. | Conservative defence spokesman Liam Fox said the plan was a "sound, sensible" policy that would ensure the UK would not be subject to "nuclear blackmail" from other states. |
"It was about us doing what we believed to be the right thing, rather than supporting the government," he said. | |
Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell, who voted for the amendment, said: "The government's got its way, but it's a humiliation for the prime minister that on a policy to which he has attached his own personal reputation he is unable to carry the House of Commons without the votes of the Conservative Party. | Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell, who voted for the amendment, said: "The government's got its way, but it's a humiliation for the prime minister that on a policy to which he has attached his own personal reputation he is unable to carry the House of Commons without the votes of the Conservative Party. |
"It's a bit like the Iraq vote once again." | "It's a bit like the Iraq vote once again." |
Few issues can divide Labour so instantly or comprehensively as this one BBC's Nick Assinder Analysis: Is this the end of the Trident debate? Celebrities join opponents | Few issues can divide Labour so instantly or comprehensively as this one BBC's Nick Assinder Analysis: Is this the end of the Trident debate? Celebrities join opponents |
SNP leader Alex Salmond said he believed most Scottish MPs, from all parties, had opposed the plans - and he thought the vote would damage Labour's chances in the forthcoming Scottish elections. | |
He said ministers were "trying to impose on an unwilling country, nuclear weapons of mass destruction for the next 50 years - it's just not on." | He said ministers were "trying to impose on an unwilling country, nuclear weapons of mass destruction for the next 50 years - it's just not on." |
'Uncertain world' | 'Uncertain world' |
Speaking during prime minister's questions before the nuclear weapons debate got under way, Mr Blair said: "I think it's right we take the decision now to begin work on replacing the Trident nuclear submarines. | Speaking during prime minister's questions before the nuclear weapons debate got under way, Mr Blair said: "I think it's right we take the decision now to begin work on replacing the Trident nuclear submarines. |
"I think that is essential for our security in an uncertain world. | "I think that is essential for our security in an uncertain world. |
See a 360-degree panorama of a Trident submarine control room. | See a 360-degree panorama of a Trident submarine control room. |
"I believe it is important that we recognise that, although it is impossible to predict the future, the one thing... that is certain, is the unpredictability of it." | "I believe it is important that we recognise that, although it is impossible to predict the future, the one thing... that is certain, is the unpredictability of it." |
Conservative leader David Cameron agreed, saying: "Replacing Britain's independent nuclear deterrent is clearly in the national interest. The decision needs to be taken now." | Conservative leader David Cameron agreed, saying: "Replacing Britain's independent nuclear deterrent is clearly in the national interest. The decision needs to be taken now." |
Some Labour MPs wanted an assurance that Parliament would be able to revisit the Trident issue in the future. | Some Labour MPs wanted an assurance that Parliament would be able to revisit the Trident issue in the future. |
Mr Blair said that was always a possibility. | Mr Blair said that was always a possibility. |
Back in December he told Parliament that submarine numbers could be cut from four to three, while the number of nuclear warheads would be cut by 20%. | Back in December he told Parliament that submarine numbers could be cut from four to three, while the number of nuclear warheads would be cut by 20%. |
Deputy Commons leader Nigel Griffiths and ministerial aide Jim Devine quit earlier this week over the issue. | |
HAVE YOUR SAY We should not waste billions renewing Trident George, Malvern Send us your comments | HAVE YOUR SAY We should not waste billions renewing Trident George, Malvern Send us your comments |
Stephen Pound - parliamentary private secretary to Labour chairman Hazel Blears - did the same on Wednesday, followed by Chris Ruane, parliamentary private secretary to Mr Hain. | Stephen Pound - parliamentary private secretary to Labour chairman Hazel Blears - did the same on Wednesday, followed by Chris Ruane, parliamentary private secretary to Mr Hain. |
Opening the Commons debate, Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett said large nuclear arsenals still existed around the world and some countries in "unstable" regions were looking to create their own weapons. | Opening the Commons debate, Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett said large nuclear arsenals still existed around the world and some countries in "unstable" regions were looking to create their own weapons. |
She said: "There's the potential for a new nuclear threat to emerge or to re-emerge. | She said: "There's the potential for a new nuclear threat to emerge or to re-emerge. |
"Maintaining a nuclear deterrent remains a premium worth paying on an insurance policy for this nation." | "Maintaining a nuclear deterrent remains a premium worth paying on an insurance policy for this nation." |