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| A POINT OF VIEW By Clive James | A POINT OF VIEW By Clive James |
| Organic food for those who can afford itAs an influential report places the blame for climate change at the door of humans, Clive James, in his first Point of View column for the Magazine, says he has yet to be convinced. And persuading the developing world to curb emissions is not the answer. | Organic food for those who can afford itAs an influential report places the blame for climate change at the door of humans, Clive James, in his first Point of View column for the Magazine, says he has yet to be convinced. And persuading the developing world to curb emissions is not the answer. |
| In my household, I'm the last man standing against the belief that global warming is caused by human beings. | In my household, I'm the last man standing against the belief that global warming is caused by human beings. |
| Three women with about a dozen university degrees between them have been treating me for years now as if I were personally responsible for the forthcoming death of the planet. They're probably right. They were right about the cod. | Three women with about a dozen university degrees between them have been treating me for years now as if I were personally responsible for the forthcoming death of the planet. They're probably right. They were right about the cod. |
| After it was impressed upon me by my daughters that the number of cod in the sea had declined to the point that there were 20 miles between any two cod, I stopped eating cod, and immediately the cod-stocks began to recover. | After it was impressed upon me by my daughters that the number of cod in the sea had declined to the point that there were 20 miles between any two cod, I stopped eating cod, and immediately the cod-stocks began to recover. |
| I couldn't help noticing, however, that there were no complaints about the declining number of haddock. | I couldn't help noticing, however, that there were no complaints about the declining number of haddock. |
| Since it was crumbed haddock fillets that I took to eating instead of crumbed cod, by rights there should have been a noticeable and worrying decline in the number of crumbed haddock being caught in the North Sea. There wasn't, but if there had been I would have listened to the evidence. | Since it was crumbed haddock fillets that I took to eating instead of crumbed cod, by rights there should have been a noticeable and worrying decline in the number of crumbed haddock being caught in the North Sea. There wasn't, but if there had been I would have listened to the evidence. |
| Men can do the heavy labour of putting out the wheelie bins, employing the brute force for which they have been famous since the cave, when everything was biodegradable class="" href="/1/hi/magazine/6323121.stm">Interview with Clive James Hard, observable evidence should convince anybody sane. I know the sea is polluted because I can see plastic bottles on the beach. Whether the sea is indeed rising might be a matter for computer modelling, which is evidence only if it suits your prejudice, but you know what a couple of hundred plastic bottles are when they come in riding on a wave like a flock of dead seagulls. | |
| Where I used to go on holiday in the Bay of Biscay in the days when I could still swim over-arm, the empty plastic bottles on the beach were only a few centimetres apart all the way from France into Spain. | Where I used to go on holiday in the Bay of Biscay in the days when I could still swim over-arm, the empty plastic bottles on the beach were only a few centimetres apart all the way from France into Spain. |
| I marvelled at the perversity of people on board ships who, after drinking the contents of the bottle, would carefully screw the cap back on so that the bottle would float forever, unbiodegradably carrying its unwritten message of human imbecility until the ending of the world. | I marvelled at the perversity of people on board ships who, after drinking the contents of the bottle, would carefully screw the cap back on so that the bottle would float forever, unbiodegradably carrying its unwritten message of human imbecility until the ending of the world. |
| Yob's right | Yob's right |
| Some countries litter more than others. Sometimes the same country litters less than it used to. Australia was a litterbug's paradise when I first left it in 1961. Fifteen years later, when I first went back, the littering had largely vanished, because a government campaign had actually worked. | Some countries litter more than others. Sometimes the same country litters less than it used to. Australia was a litterbug's paradise when I first left it in 1961. Fifteen years later, when I first went back, the littering had largely vanished, because a government campaign had actually worked. |
| class="bodl" href="#"> BBC NEWS: AUDIO HREF="#" onclick="javascript: void window.open('http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml?radio4/point_of_view', 'BBC', 'toolbar=0,scrollbars=0,location=0,statusbar=0,menubar=0,resizable=0,width=693,height=525,left=280,top=100');">Hear A Point of View on Radio 4 in the BBC Radio Player At present, the same global coffee bar chain has cleaner forecourts in the US than it does in the UK because, in the UK, dropping trash is a yob's right. But wherever you are, in Birmingham or in Birmingham, Alabama, biodegradable packaging in general is clearly a necessary and welcome step, well worth paying for if you've got the money. | |
| The fact that only a very small proportion of the total human race has got the money we can leave aside for now, because this is really about us, the people who can afford to do the right thing after we've either agreed what it is or been prevailed upon to do it by a government which has proved its competence in other areas, such as finding a use for the Millennium Dome. | The fact that only a very small proportion of the total human race has got the money we can leave aside for now, because this is really about us, the people who can afford to do the right thing after we've either agreed what it is or been prevailed upon to do it by a government which has proved its competence in other areas, such as finding a use for the Millennium Dome. |
| This week, for a packet of organic tomatoes still gamely clinging to their own little vine, I gladly paid extra because the packaging was almost as enticing as the contents. By means of a printed sticker, the packaging promised to disintegrate at some time in the future. | This week, for a packet of organic tomatoes still gamely clinging to their own little vine, I gladly paid extra because the packaging was almost as enticing as the contents. By means of a printed sticker, the packaging promised to disintegrate at some time in the future. |
| It would have been a help if the exact time in the future had been specified - perhaps about the time when the last remnants of the human race left for the planet Tofu in the constellation of Organica - but at least the green promise had been made, and I would be able to put the empty tomato packet into our wheelie bin devoted to compostable matter. | It would have been a help if the exact time in the future had been specified - perhaps about the time when the last remnants of the human race left for the planet Tofu in the constellation of Organica - but at least the green promise had been made, and I would be able to put the empty tomato packet into our wheelie bin devoted to compostable matter. |
| Wheelie bins, the scourge of local paper letter-writersIn Cambridge we divide our garbage into two wheelie bins, marked compostable and non-compostable. | |
| The two classifications don't apply to the wheelie bins, both of which are made of heavy-duty, non-compostable plastic, but do apply to their contents. | The two classifications don't apply to the wheelie bins, both of which are made of heavy-duty, non-compostable plastic, but do apply to their contents. |
| As the dolt of the household, a mere male and therefore little more than a brain-stem with a bank account, I myself am correctly regarded as too stupid to decide what goes into each bin. My job is to substitute one bin for another in the garden shed according to which week which bin is collected. | As the dolt of the household, a mere male and therefore little more than a brain-stem with a bank account, I myself am correctly regarded as too stupid to decide what goes into each bin. My job is to substitute one bin for another in the garden shed according to which week which bin is collected. |
| Only women are clever enough to plan this schedule but only men can do the heavy labour involved, employing the brute force for which they have been famous since the cave, when everything was biodegradable. | Only women are clever enough to plan this schedule but only men can do the heavy labour involved, employing the brute force for which they have been famous since the cave, when everything was biodegradable. |
| A world nearer to a bone-strewn cave is one to which some in the green movement would like us to return. I can say at this point that the eco-wiseacre who has just been elected Australian of the Year foresees an ideal population for Australia of less than a third of the number of people it has now, but he doesn't say whether he includes himself and his family among the total of those to be subtracted. | A world nearer to a bone-strewn cave is one to which some in the green movement would like us to return. I can say at this point that the eco-wiseacre who has just been elected Australian of the Year foresees an ideal population for Australia of less than a third of the number of people it has now, but he doesn't say whether he includes himself and his family among the total of those to be subtracted. |
| The world couldn't work if we didn't spend most of our time being open to persuasion on subjects that we will never personally investigate | The world couldn't work if we didn't spend most of our time being open to persuasion on subjects that we will never personally investigate |
| Each time I change the bins I almost subtract myself from the present total of the inhabitants of East Anglia because for evolutionary reasons I am unable to lug one bin out and push the other bin in without impacting my forehead into the top frame of the shed door. | Each time I change the bins I almost subtract myself from the present total of the inhabitants of East Anglia because for evolutionary reasons I am unable to lug one bin out and push the other bin in without impacting my forehead into the top frame of the shed door. |
| After the first time I fell to the flagstones clutching my bisected skull, when I jokingly suggested to the three watching eco-furies that if I croaked in mid-manoeuvre they could always recycle me, I was informed that this possibility was on the cards because just outside of town there is a cemetery where they will bury you in a cardboard box. | After the first time I fell to the flagstones clutching my bisected skull, when I jokingly suggested to the three watching eco-furies that if I croaked in mid-manoeuvre they could always recycle me, I was informed that this possibility was on the cards because just outside of town there is a cemetery where they will bury you in a cardboard box. |
| There is also a graveyard called All Souls which has two wheelie bins standing outside it, one marked "All Souls compostable" and the other marked "All Souls non-compostable". | There is also a graveyard called All Souls which has two wheelie bins standing outside it, one marked "All Souls compostable" and the other marked "All Souls non-compostable". |
| One of the permanent lodgers in that graveyard is the great philosopher Wittgenstein, whose key principle was that we shouldn't be seduced by language. He wanted us to say things so clearly that our meaning couldn't be mistaken. But he could only dream of that, because in fact we are seduced by language. | One of the permanent lodgers in that graveyard is the great philosopher Wittgenstein, whose key principle was that we shouldn't be seduced by language. He wanted us to say things so clearly that our meaning couldn't be mistaken. But he could only dream of that, because in fact we are seduced by language. |
| The world couldn't work if we didn't spend most of our time being open to persuasion on subjects that we will never personally investigate because we lack either the time or the talent, and usually both. | The world couldn't work if we didn't spend most of our time being open to persuasion on subjects that we will never personally investigate because we lack either the time or the talent, and usually both. |
| Mercury poison | Mercury poison |
| Everybody knows there are too many plastic shopping bags. You can see millions of them decorating the hedgerows. Everybody knows that it's a good sign when a supermarket puts a sign on the side of its plastic bags saying that its plastic bags are recycled from other plastic bags. | Everybody knows there are too many plastic shopping bags. You can see millions of them decorating the hedgerows. Everybody knows that it's a good sign when a supermarket puts a sign on the side of its plastic bags saying that its plastic bags are recycled from other plastic bags. |
| But where most of our recycled non-compostable garbage gets sorted out, hardly anybody knows. I was recently told that most of it goes to China, but I can't believe that their economic boom depends on reprocessing our tin cans, and that they won't produce rubbish of their own, and lots more of it. | But where most of our recycled non-compostable garbage gets sorted out, hardly anybody knows. I was recently told that most of it goes to China, but I can't believe that their economic boom depends on reprocessing our tin cans, and that they won't produce rubbish of their own, and lots more of it. |
| Most bins do not offer recycling | Most bins do not offer recycling |
| There are good reasons for cleaning up the mess we make, but finally it's what we make that makes us an advanced culture, and only a highly developed industry knows how to keep itself clean. | There are good reasons for cleaning up the mess we make, but finally it's what we make that makes us an advanced culture, and only a highly developed industry knows how to keep itself clean. |
| At Bhopal in India a chemical plant once killed at least 3,800 people, but that was because it was badly regulated. | At Bhopal in India a chemical plant once killed at least 3,800 people, but that was because it was badly regulated. |
| Loose supervision made it lethal. Very few nuclear reactors even in the old Soviet Union have ever gone as wrong as the one at Chernobyl, or even the one at Three Mile Island in the US, but that's because they have regulations to meet, and the regulations themselves are the product of an industrial society. | Loose supervision made it lethal. Very few nuclear reactors even in the old Soviet Union have ever gone as wrong as the one at Chernobyl, or even the one at Three Mile Island in the US, but that's because they have regulations to meet, and the regulations themselves are the product of an industrial society. |
| There was a time that Japan's burgeoning post-war industry was poisoning its own people with mercury. The industry that did the poisoning found the solution, because it was forced to. But a law to suppress that industry would have helped to produce a society less able to control its own pollution, not more. | There was a time that Japan's burgeoning post-war industry was poisoning its own people with mercury. The industry that did the poisoning found the solution, because it was forced to. But a law to suppress that industry would have helped to produce a society less able to control its own pollution, not more. |
| Finally we'll do what Leonardo di Caprio does | Finally we'll do what Leonardo di Caprio does |
| As far I can tell with the time I've got to study the flood of information, which is less time than I would like, the green movement can do an advanced industrial society the world of good by persuading its industries to spread less poison. | As far I can tell with the time I've got to study the flood of information, which is less time than I would like, the green movement can do an advanced industrial society the world of good by persuading its industries to spread less poison. |
| Whether or not carbon emissions really do melt the polar bears and kill the baby seals in the rain forest, the pressure on industry and even on government is already helping to persuade Hollywood stars that they should drive hybrid cars, and finally we'll do what Leonardo di Caprio does, because we'll be seduced by language, not because we know very much about how carbon dioxide keeps in the planet's heat. | Whether or not carbon emissions really do melt the polar bears and kill the baby seals in the rain forest, the pressure on industry and even on government is already helping to persuade Hollywood stars that they should drive hybrid cars, and finally we'll do what Leonardo di Caprio does, because we'll be seduced by language, not because we know very much about how carbon dioxide keeps in the planet's heat. |
| The other day I met a carbon dioxide expert who said that his favourite gas has already reached the density where it can't keep in any more heat, but I did notice that he was sweating. | The other day I met a carbon dioxide expert who said that his favourite gas has already reached the density where it can't keep in any more heat, but I did notice that he was sweating. |
| It was probably when Sir David Attenborough noticed that the bottle-nosed dolphins were sweating that he finally gave his illustrious name to the campaign against global warming. That would be enough for me even if Prince Charles hadn't joined in as well, having already placed his order for a horse-drawn Aston Martin. | It was probably when Sir David Attenborough noticed that the bottle-nosed dolphins were sweating that he finally gave his illustrious name to the campaign against global warming. That would be enough for me even if Prince Charles hadn't joined in as well, having already placed his order for a horse-drawn Aston Martin. |
| Freud on wheelies | Freud on wheelies |
| But I don't really know they're right. I'm just guessing. The only thing I do know is what won't work, because it shouldn't. | But I don't really know they're right. I'm just guessing. The only thing I do know is what won't work, because it shouldn't. |
| We shouldn't expect the less fortunate nations to cut themselves off from industrial progress in the name of a green planet. | We shouldn't expect the less fortunate nations to cut themselves off from industrial progress in the name of a green planet. |
| It wouldn't be fair even if it was likely, and anyway, we aren't civilized by the extent to which we return to nature, only by the extent that we overcome it. I wish I'd said that. It was Sigmund Freud, actually, when they showed him the blueprints of the very first wheelie bin. | It wouldn't be fair even if it was likely, and anyway, we aren't civilized by the extent to which we return to nature, only by the extent that we overcome it. I wish I'd said that. It was Sigmund Freud, actually, when they showed him the blueprints of the very first wheelie bin. |
| When push comes to shove, he wrote in German, this thing could still save male pride even if it can't save the planet. | When push comes to shove, he wrote in German, this thing could still save male pride even if it can't save the planet. |
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| A wonderfully witty and serious article - just what we expect from Clive James. I also live in Cambridge, and putting the right rubbish in the right bin can certainly take a lot of effort. Besides black bin, green bin, black box and blue box, we also have our own compost heap - our guinea pigs generate a lot of compost-able waste. If we weren't sentimental, privileged members of the developed world, I suppose we'd just eat the guinea pigs and have done with it. | A wonderfully witty and serious article - just what we expect from Clive James. I also live in Cambridge, and putting the right rubbish in the right bin can certainly take a lot of effort. Besides black bin, green bin, black box and blue box, we also have our own compost heap - our guinea pigs generate a lot of compost-able waste. If we weren't sentimental, privileged members of the developed world, I suppose we'd just eat the guinea pigs and have done with it. |
| I don't know exactly what happens to the recycled cans either, but I do know that some of the plastic milk containers have been turned into the boardwalk at Wicken Fen nature reserve. So we can all enjoy nature from an eco-friendly platform.Debbie, Cambridge UK | I don't know exactly what happens to the recycled cans either, but I do know that some of the plastic milk containers have been turned into the boardwalk at Wicken Fen nature reserve. So we can all enjoy nature from an eco-friendly platform.Debbie, Cambridge UK |
| I'm a male and have no problem dividing compost-able from non-compost-able. This article strikes me of the typical British/Aussie view that it is a born right to throw rubbish into land fill. People like this soon complain when a land fill site is located near their village. Don't buy packaging from supermarkets, buy local produce from local sellers, recycle, and compost waste if you have a garden - I don't see why people find this so difficult - lazy British society I guess.Darth Davies, Warwick | I'm a male and have no problem dividing compost-able from non-compost-able. This article strikes me of the typical British/Aussie view that it is a born right to throw rubbish into land fill. People like this soon complain when a land fill site is located near their village. Don't buy packaging from supermarkets, buy local produce from local sellers, recycle, and compost waste if you have a garden - I don't see why people find this so difficult - lazy British society I guess.Darth Davies, Warwick |
| Clive James is yet another journalist suffering from a misunderstanding of the function and application of scientific practice so typical of the media. May I recommend he reads a little more Karl Popper, who specialised in the philosophy of science, rather than Freud, famed for psychology, when interpreting the incriminations of science?Duncan, Hove | Clive James is yet another journalist suffering from a misunderstanding of the function and application of scientific practice so typical of the media. May I recommend he reads a little more Karl Popper, who specialised in the philosophy of science, rather than Freud, famed for psychology, when interpreting the incriminations of science?Duncan, Hove |
| Just two bins? We have three to contend with; each with its own day and rotation. There's a certain irony in struggling with these bins in turn while yet another solid-fuel power plant is opened in China during my recycling bi-weekly bin rota. Yes, it is unfair to demand developing countries curb their industrial development seeing as we've had a good crack at it ourselves. Do they have three bins in China? Does anyone have more?Nick Southwood, London | Just two bins? We have three to contend with; each with its own day and rotation. There's a certain irony in struggling with these bins in turn while yet another solid-fuel power plant is opened in China during my recycling bi-weekly bin rota. Yes, it is unfair to demand developing countries curb their industrial development seeing as we've had a good crack at it ourselves. Do they have three bins in China? Does anyone have more?Nick Southwood, London |
| Clive, it's not that women think men aren't capable of planning things such as a schedule for putting out the rubbish bin, it's that, left to your own devices, men don't bother to do things like this.It's a throw back to the days when wives and daughters were nothing more than servants and "all" men did was bring home money. Here's a thought! Prove them wrong. Instead of sitting about complaining.Kate, London, UK | Clive, it's not that women think men aren't capable of planning things such as a schedule for putting out the rubbish bin, it's that, left to your own devices, men don't bother to do things like this.It's a throw back to the days when wives and daughters were nothing more than servants and "all" men did was bring home money. Here's a thought! Prove them wrong. Instead of sitting about complaining.Kate, London, UK |
| I must empathise with you, I am married to a Belgian. When she first moved here she was shocked at how little we recycled. It's got so bad now, when we go to Belgium we fill the car up with things we can't recycle in our area! But like you say, it's my job to put it in the car not decide what is to be put in.Mike Jarrey, London | I must empathise with you, I am married to a Belgian. When she first moved here she was shocked at how little we recycled. It's got so bad now, when we go to Belgium we fill the car up with things we can't recycle in our area! But like you say, it's my job to put it in the car not decide what is to be put in.Mike Jarrey, London |
| And while we diligently recycle, still we accept that the endless packaging we're recycling needs to be sold to us in the first place. Why can we not acknowledge the simple principle that if it's on the supermarket shelves it's already too late? It's already in the environment. If we really want to change that, we must have the strength and determination to face the only real alternative; no packaging at all.Mike Malone, Aberdeen | And while we diligently recycle, still we accept that the endless packaging we're recycling needs to be sold to us in the first place. Why can we not acknowledge the simple principle that if it's on the supermarket shelves it's already too late? It's already in the environment. If we really want to change that, we must have the strength and determination to face the only real alternative; no packaging at all.Mike Malone, Aberdeen |