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GO FIGURE Different ways of seeing stats Unemployment is up. But look at the numbers - so far it's not nearly as gloomy as the last recession, says Michael Blastland in the first of his regular columns.GO FIGURE Different ways of seeing stats Unemployment is up. But look at the numbers - so far it's not nearly as gloomy as the last recession, says Michael Blastland in the first of his regular columns.
How do you measure how grim a recession is? You could compare it with the boom times and discover that life is worse. Now there's a surprise.Job Centres are getting busyHow do you measure how grim a recession is? You could compare it with the boom times and discover that life is worse. Now there's a surprise.Job Centres are getting busy
Or, at a time when we hear suggestions that this is the worst crisis for generations, we could try to find out if that's true, and compare this recession with the last recession: that is, compare bad with bad and see which is worst.Or, at a time when we hear suggestions that this is the worst crisis for generations, we could try to find out if that's true, and compare this recession with the last recession: that is, compare bad with bad and see which is worst.
Mostly though, we hear comparisons of the bad with the best. So on the most recent, and genuinely-depressing, data we have about the state of the economy - this week's unemployment numbers - the widely reported comparison has been with unemployment in the past 10 years. That is, with the boom years. It is about the worst it has been in that period.Mostly though, we hear comparisons of the bad with the best. So on the most recent, and genuinely-depressing, data we have about the state of the economy - this week's unemployment numbers - the widely reported comparison has been with unemployment in the past 10 years. That is, with the boom years. It is about the worst it has been in that period.
But what if we also compare what's happening now with what happened at roughly the same point in the last recession? These charts - of those on the dole, and the number of jobless - begin to do that, and start the month before the numbers begin to rise consistently, in the spring of 1990 and 2008.But what if we also compare what's happening now with what happened at roughly the same point in the last recession? These charts - of those on the dole, and the number of jobless - begin to do that, and start the month before the numbers begin to rise consistently, in the spring of 1990 and 2008.
What does this tell us, other than that most reports about unemployment are not telling us much? A few facts stand out:What does this tell us, other than that most reports about unemployment are not telling us much? A few facts stand out:
  • The starting level this time is well below the starting level last time
  • Despite recent rises in unemployment and the claimant count, and at least two quarters of recession, we are still not up to the levels at the start of the 1990 recession;
  • The lines are about the same gradient, so far - slightly steeper for unemployment, slightly shallower for the claimant count, indicating that people are losing jobs at roughly the same speed as last time.
  • The starting level this time is well below the starting level last time
  • Despite recent rises in unemployment and the claimant count, and at least two quarters of recession, we are still not up to the levels at the start of the 1990 recession;
  • The lines are about the same gradient, so far - slightly steeper for unemployment, slightly shallower for the claimant count, indicating that people are losing jobs at roughly the same speed as last time.
The effect on the figures of the large number of people on incapacity benefit is worth bearing in mind here, and might suggest that the true unemployment level is higher than it looks.The effect on the figures of the large number of people on incapacity benefit is worth bearing in mind here, and might suggest that the true unemployment level is higher than it looks.
But incapacity benefit was also there in the 90s recession. If we take inactivity as a whole, male inactivity rates in particular rose steeply in the 80s but have actually fallen back slightly since the early 90s. (Whereas female activity rates have been rising for years).But incapacity benefit was also there in the 90s recession. If we take inactivity as a whole, male inactivity rates in particular rose steeply in the 80s but have actually fallen back slightly since the early 90s. (Whereas female activity rates have been rising for years).
And here's another thought to bear in mind when raw unemployment numbers are quoted over the coming months. There are about 3 million more people of working age this time than last, and 4.5 million more than in the early 80s recession. If - and it's a big if - the raw numbers are no worse than last time, we'll have done rather better.And here's another thought to bear in mind when raw unemployment numbers are quoted over the coming months. There are about 3 million more people of working age this time than last, and 4.5 million more than in the early 80s recession. If - and it's a big if - the raw numbers are no worse than last time, we'll have done rather better.
Crystal ballCrystal ball
So how bad is it this time? We'll see. We don't know yet and this is not a prediction. But comparing similar points in the recession suggest that unemployment is no worse - yet - than in the last recession, and in some ways better.More of these are being filled outSo how bad is it this time? We'll see. We don't know yet and this is not a prediction. But comparing similar points in the recession suggest that unemployment is no worse - yet - than in the last recession, and in some ways better.More of these are being filled out
In other ways, of course, things are not so good. Public finances are in worse shape now than then, for example. The Bank of England also predicts that the economy will contract more sharply than it did in 1990. We'll soon find out.In other ways, of course, things are not so good. Public finances are in worse shape now than then, for example. The Bank of England also predicts that the economy will contract more sharply than it did in 1990. We'll soon find out.
But as the recession takes its course, it's worth keeping up with the real data and seeing how it compares, not just bad with good, but bad with previous bad. We've been treated recently to a great deal of coverage of the "up 146,000, what a shock" variety. Is 146,000 bad? Yes, of course it is, these are people's livelihoods.But as the recession takes its course, it's worth keeping up with the real data and seeing how it compares, not just bad with good, but bad with previous bad. We've been treated recently to a great deal of coverage of the "up 146,000, what a shock" variety. Is 146,000 bad? Yes, of course it is, these are people's livelihoods.
But how bad? About as bad as last time, but probably no worse, and starting from a lower level. About as bad, in fact, as it tends to be at this point in a recession. To know this, we need some relevant context, and that is in short supply.But how bad? About as bad as last time, but probably no worse, and starting from a lower level. About as bad, in fact, as it tends to be at this point in a recession. To know this, we need some relevant context, and that is in short supply.


• And finally, here are some numerical nuggets. You may never have wondered how many women in Japan with part-time jobs walk their dogs at 3am, but I bet you'd like to know.• And finally, here are some numerical nuggets. You may never have wondered how many women in Japan with part-time jobs walk their dogs at 3am, but I bet you'd like to know.
"Yeah, we got that," says Jonathan Soma, who's taken a five-yearly survey of what the Japanese get up to and turned it into an interactive stream graph, which represents the changing volume of people undertaking a particular activity at any given time. Walkies!"Yeah, we got that," says Jonathan Soma, who's taken a five-yearly survey of what the Japanese get up to and turned it into an interactive stream graph, which represents the changing volume of people undertaking a particular activity at any given time. Walkies!
It's drawn from the Japanese census, which legitimises the gossipy question of what are you doing right now. "Japan slapped a bunch of people with notebooks and a sacred numbers mission: keep a log of what you do during the day, in 15-minute intervals. And those people did," says Jonathan.It's drawn from the Japanese census, which legitimises the gossipy question of what are you doing right now. "Japan slapped a bunch of people with notebooks and a sacred numbers mission: keep a log of what you do during the day, in 15-minute intervals. And those people did," says Jonathan.
The data comes from the Statistics Bureau of Japan's Survey on Time Use and Leisure Activities: Results on Activities by Time of the Day. So how many study in a private cram school at 5.29am? Zero. That's a relief.The data comes from the Statistics Bureau of Japan's Survey on Time Use and Leisure Activities: Results on Activities by Time of the Day. So how many study in a private cram school at 5.29am? Zero. That's a relief.
And how many do vehicle maintenance at 10.29pm? 19,902 men. Single men? In some cases, perhaps imminently.And how many do vehicle maintenance at 10.29pm? 19,902 men. Single men? In some cases, perhaps imminently.
Is it accurate? Very roughly, would be my guess, and subject to a fair bit of variation day to day, the more so for less common activities. Strangely fascinating? You bet. October 18 is Statistics Day in Japan, and its slogan is "Statistical Surveys Owe You and You Owe Statistical Data".Is it accurate? Very roughly, would be my guess, and subject to a fair bit of variation day to day, the more so for less common activities. Strangely fascinating? You bet. October 18 is Statistics Day in Japan, and its slogan is "Statistical Surveys Owe You and You Owe Statistical Data".
• When the UK's own Statistics Authority ticked off the government just before Christmas for its knife-crime figures, less noticed was that the Home Office had previous.• When the UK's own Statistics Authority ticked off the government just before Christmas for its knife-crime figures, less noticed was that the Home Office had previous.
The authority received an earlier complaint that at one of its briefings, a Home Office press officer had crept in with well-spun handouts praising the government's record on immigration. The complainant - no less than the President of the Royal Society of Statistics - worried that the Home Office was attempting to pass off partisan comment as independent Statistics Authority background. The Home Office has since apologised.The authority received an earlier complaint that at one of its briefings, a Home Office press officer had crept in with well-spun handouts praising the government's record on immigration. The complainant - no less than the President of the Royal Society of Statistics - worried that the Home Office was attempting to pass off partisan comment as independent Statistics Authority background. The Home Office has since apologised.


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At last someone who seems to have a memory. This recession is yet to reach anywhere near the levels of previous ones. In the 80s interest rates rose dramatically, people lost jobs, redundancy was the new holiday, etc. Now interest rates are rock bottom low and look likely to stay so far a year or two, prices are falling, jobs are being lost but huge numbers and wealth were built up in the good times, so those who saved or have a low mortgage rate are laughing all the way to the, well I would say bank. Nicholas Walton, Warminster, Wiltshire
At last, a more "even handed" view of the situation. Perhaps I'm not the only one who can see that many in the media have a preconceived idea of the story they want to tell and then dig out the "facts" to back it up. The old adage Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics springs to mind.Alan, Edinburgh
This article is both informative and prophetic but it does not address the need for a common basis for comparison. Should, for example, the 1.97 million registered unemployed be added to the 1.2 million job seekers allowance? How in 1981/2 were jobseekers, disabled, means-tested claimants recorded or dealt with?Leighton Jones, Chelmsford, Essex
I think work is out there but you just have to look much harder to find it. I am an IT contractor and with my contract finishing on Friday, I was concerned of finding another one. However, I was surprised that after one telephone interview, I have been offered another contract to start on Monday.
My advice, don't get disheartened by the employment market - there is work out there but you have to be ruthless to find it.Chris Morris, Harrogate, Yorkshire
As one can no longer accept government statistics at face value, what is the total number of people unemployed in the UK, who are able to work? Is the claimant count part of the unemployed figure? Does it include Neets?David Belchamber, Warminster, UK
My understanding is that if I became redundant today, the means-testing element would exclude me from any government support ie I would not appear on these graphs. I suspect that rather a lot of the recently un-employed are also missing from the official figures.Paul B, Cambridge
I've been on the dole for about six months, ever since leaving uni and more and more it just seems pointless. How am I going to get hired when more qualified people are getting laid off and are looking for work? Luckily I've been accepted on a CELTA course so I can teach English in foreign languages. In a few months I should be able to escape the gloom of this country for another one, and get a job at the same time, I hope. Dan Barritt, Leeds
Something that would be worth bearing in mind is that fact that the way the jobless total is calculated has been changed since Labour came to power in 1997. Therefore you cannot compare the two figures directly and say that unemployment now is lower than it was in 1997 as the new method has unsurprisingly resulted in a lower figure than would have been achieved under the old method. Just another smoke and mirrors for this government to be able to exaggerate its achievements.David, Essex
How refreshing to hear someone talking positively about our problems. Will someone give Michael Blastland Robert Peston's job please? I know things are not at all good, but Peston's continual talking down of our situation is depressing us more than we need to be.Maggie King, Accrington, Lancashire
Interesting as always. At the end of the day the government allows the vox pop to think what they want by using figures to give them proof. Stats can be fudged to anyone's uses so I wouldn't outright believe them. Things aren't great but if we listen to them, the morale and attitude of people are going to crash and burn, making it a lot more drawn out. Ok positive thinking isn't going to change the fact that economy-wise things have hit the skids but let those responsible worry Mick, Scotland
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