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Doctors' phone line use reviewed Doctors' phone line use reviewed
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A ban on the use, by GP surgeries and other parts of the NHS, of phone numbers which begin with 084 is being considered say ministers.A ban on the use, by GP surgeries and other parts of the NHS, of phone numbers which begin with 084 is being considered say ministers.
They have launched an England-wide consultation to ask with people whether they want to keep the numbers.They have launched an England-wide consultation to ask with people whether they want to keep the numbers.
Doctors say the new systems enable them to offer patients a better service.Doctors say the new systems enable them to offer patients a better service.
But campaigners argue using the more expensive numbers is against the founding principles of the NHS, which should be "free at the point of need."But campaigners argue using the more expensive numbers is against the founding principles of the NHS, which should be "free at the point of need."
Increasing numbers of GP surgeries, hospitals and primary care trusts now have 084 numbers for patients use, such as when booking appointments.Increasing numbers of GP surgeries, hospitals and primary care trusts now have 084 numbers for patients use, such as when booking appointments.
Any idea that GPs make money from these numbers is a myth Dr Richard Vautrey Advertisement
Dr Richard Vautrey says his patients get a better service
Callers to the numbers are put in a queue, rather than encountering a constantly engaged tone.Callers to the numbers are put in a queue, rather than encountering a constantly engaged tone.
Any revenue that is raised has to go towards the cost of the phone systems.Any revenue that is raised has to go towards the cost of the phone systems.
However complaints over the use of the numbers - which are usually more expensive than local calls - have lead to a government rethink.However complaints over the use of the numbers - which are usually more expensive than local calls - have lead to a government rethink.
Over the next three months people in England will be able to give their views on whether the practice should be allowed to continue.Over the next three months people in England will be able to give their views on whether the practice should be allowed to continue.
'Dramatic improvement''Dramatic improvement'
The NEG (Network Group Europe) company, which supplies 084 numbers to the NHS, says 10 million patients across the UK are registered with a doctor's practice that uses the system.The NEG (Network Group Europe) company, which supplies 084 numbers to the NHS, says 10 million patients across the UK are registered with a doctor's practice that uses the system.
One such surgery is the Meanwood Practice in Leeds, where Dr Richard Vautrey is based.One such surgery is the Meanwood Practice in Leeds, where Dr Richard Vautrey is based.
Dr Vautry, deputy chair of the British Medical Association's GP Committee, said: "Before we put in the system, patients were concerned about the difficulty they had in getting through on the phone.Dr Vautry, deputy chair of the British Medical Association's GP Committee, said: "Before we put in the system, patients were concerned about the difficulty they had in getting through on the phone.
"Surveys showed it was an area of weakness for us."Surveys showed it was an area of weakness for us.
"It's never going to be perfect - but the 084 number has given us a dramatic improvement and certainly made a big difference."It's never going to be perfect - but the 084 number has given us a dramatic improvement and certainly made a big difference.
"Any idea that GPs make money from these numbers is a myth."Any idea that GPs make money from these numbers is a myth.
"The cost to our practice has in fact increased since we put in the new system."The cost to our practice has in fact increased since we put in the new system.
"Before it was £7,000 a year and now it's £10,000.""Before it was £7,000 a year and now it's £10,000."
OppositionOpposition
But phone campaigner David Hickson said the use of the numbers was "completely unacceptable."But phone campaigner David Hickson said the use of the numbers was "completely unacceptable."
He said: "The NHS is supposed to be free at the point of need.He said: "The NHS is supposed to be free at the point of need.
"The difference in each call may be only a few pence for some people, but the costs can really mount up for others - especially for people who are using mobiles because they don't have a landline."The difference in each call may be only a few pence for some people, but the costs can really mount up for others - especially for people who are using mobiles because they don't have a landline.
"I find it bizarre that the government is doing a consultation on this now."I find it bizarre that the government is doing a consultation on this now.
"It's more than three years since the Department of Health banned GPs from using 0870 and other higher cost numbers. 084 numbers should have been stopped then.""It's more than three years since the Department of Health banned GPs from using 0870 and other higher cost numbers. 084 numbers should have been stopped then."
One solution could be to use 03 numbers across the NHS. These offer the extra functions of automated 084 systems, but without patients having to pay extra.One solution could be to use 03 numbers across the NHS. These offer the extra functions of automated 084 systems, but without patients having to pay extra.
However some GP surgeries are locked into phone contracts lasting as long as seven years.However some GP surgeries are locked into phone contracts lasting as long as seven years.
Government viewGovernment view
Health Minister Ben Bradshaw said: "A few years ago we banned the previous systems that were proving expensive.Health Minister Ben Bradshaw said: "A few years ago we banned the previous systems that were proving expensive.
"But people got round it by using 084 numbers. We now need to find a sustainable solution."But people got round it by using 084 numbers. We now need to find a sustainable solution.
"We'd have to look carefully at whether existing contracts could be interrupted.""We'd have to look carefully at whether existing contracts could be interrupted."
Mr Bradshaw confirmed that the consultation would also seek the public's view about the phone line service NHS Direct using an 0845 number.Mr Bradshaw confirmed that the consultation would also seek the public's view about the phone line service NHS Direct using an 0845 number.
Dean Raiment, the managing director of NEG, said: "We also share the government's determination that patients all over the country should receive the best possible service.Dean Raiment, the managing director of NEG, said: "We also share the government's determination that patients all over the country should receive the best possible service.
"We look forward very much to continuing to work with the Department of Health as part of the consultation process, to determine the most appropriate solution.""We look forward very much to continuing to work with the Department of Health as part of the consultation process, to determine the most appropriate solution."