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John Major warns May that Tory/DUP deal could threaten Northern Ireland peace process - politics live | John Major warns May that Tory/DUP deal could threaten Northern Ireland peace process - politics live |
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John Bercow’s comment about “testing times” was a reference to how he has decided to stay on until 2022. When he was elected speaker in 2009, he said that he would just stay until 2018. | |
Explaining his U-turn recently, he suggested that, if Theresa May was allowed to change her mind over an early election, he was allowed to change his mind too. As Sky News reports, he said last month: | |
I had originally indicated an intention to serve for approximately nine years. If I may legitimately say so, I made that commitment eight years ago, it was before the Fixed Term Parliament Act, it was before the EU referendum. | |
We’re in a very different situation … the Prime Minister very properly is entitled to change her view about whether the national interest would be served by an earlier election rather than a later one,” Mr Bercow said. | |
I made no criticism or complaint about that whatsoever. | |
So if people are entitled to change their minds over a relatively short period of time I think I’m entitled to take a somewhat different view now to the one I took back in 2009. | |
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John Bercow agrees to serve as speaker | |
Ken Clarke, as father of the House, asks if John Bercow is willing to be chosen as speaker of the Commons. | |
John Bercow starts by congratulating Clarke on adding father of the House to his many achievements. He says next Sunday Clarke will have been an MP for 47 years. | |
Bercow is willing to serve as speaker, he says. | |
He welcomes the fact that this House is more diverse than any of its predecessors. | |
He says he will champion the rights of backbenchers, and help them hold to account the government of the day. | |
He says it will come as a relief to MPs to hear that he does not intend to serve for 47 years, either as a parliamentarian or as speaker. | |
But “we appear to be destined for testing times”, he says. He offers himself to the Commons as a “tested speaker”. | |
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Alastair Campbell, Tony Blair’s former communications chief, has welcomed Sir John Major’s decision to speak out about the Tory/DUP deal. | |
Very glad that John Major has spoken out about this deal May is doing with the DUP. wrong in principle and dangerous to the peace process | |
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Talks between May and Foster over Tory/DUP deal 'going well' | |
Talks between Theresa May and the DUP over a deal that would prop up the Conservative government have been “constructive” and are “going well”, the Press Association reports. | |
The discussions, which have so far lasted nearly two hours, have moved from Number 10 to Parliament to allow the prime minister to speak in the Commons. | |
May, who will address MPs after the Speaker’s election, left for the Commons without answering reporters questions about how negotiations were progressing. | |
Foster said on Twitter: “Discussions are going well with the government and we hope soon to be able to bring this work to a successful conclusion.” | |
And a Downing Street source said the talks had been “constructive”. | |
The prime minister may not be present as the talks continue because she is heading to Paris for a meeting with newly-elected President Emmanuel Macron. | |
Discussions are going well with the government and we hope soon to be able to bring this work to a successful conclusion. | |
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In his World at One interview Sir John Major suggested that the DUP would demand extra money for Northern Ireland as the price for a deal with the Tories. | |
On Twitter yesterday Nick Macpherson, the former Treasury permanent secretary, said that “the sky’s the limit” when it comes to how much money the DUP can extract from a minority government in these circumstances. | |
you will recall from HMT days, DUP's ability to wrest money from a nervous PM. If DUP play it long, the sky's the limit. | |
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MPs are now proceeding to the House of Lords, where they will hear a royal commission being read out asking them to elect a Speaker. | |
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Election of speaker | |
MPs are now gathered in the Commons chamber for the first time. Their only job today is to elect a Speaker. | |
Jeremy Corbyn received a standing ovation when he arrived in the chamber. | |
Jeremy Corbyn receiving rapturous applause from Opposition benches, as bemused Conservatives watch on as Commons returns: pic.twitter.com/bPe8QvVqDI | |
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Sir John Major's World at One interview - Summary | |
Here are the main points from Sir John Major’s World at One interview. | |
Major warned that a Tory/DUP deal could threaten the Northern Ireland peace process. (See 1.39pm.) He even suggested not having the Westminster government as a neutral arbiter in Northern Ireland affairs could in some circumstances risk violence returning. | |
We have seen in Northern Ireland over very many years that events always don’t unwind as you expect them to unwind. Here, with the peace process, we need to be prepared of the unexpected. We need to hope for the best but prepare for the worst. | |
The last thing anybody wishes to see is one or other of the communities so aggrieved that the hard men, who are still there lurking in the corners of the community, decide that they wish to return to some form of violence. We really need to do everything we conceivably can to make sure that doesn’t happen.And that does require an impartial UK government. | |
He said that Theresa May did not need a deal with the DUP anyway. | |
I can’t believe that every other party in Westminster would want another election at the present time and I’m absolutely stone-cold certain that nobody in the country would like another general election and would not forgive anybody who triggered it. So I don’t think an immediate general election is really the point. | |
And, in any event, she’s a tiny minority in the event that everybody lined up against her. Well, I can’t see the DUP, with or without a deal, taking part in a vote that would create a general election with a possibility of a Labour government. That isn’t remotely likely to happen. So I’m not entirely convinced that, although a deal would make parliamentary votes easier, that it is absolutely necessary for Mrs May to remain as prime minister and for the government to continue with its work. | |
He said that the Tories would lose votes “by the bucketload” at the next election if people saw Northern Ireland getting more money as a result of the Tory/DUP deal. | |
The DUP, entirely understandably, are going to ask for a great deal in for supporting the government, predominantly, I suspect, they will ask for money. | |
If they ask for money, how is that going to be received in Wales, or in Scotland, or amongst the just about managing everywhere across the UK? It is going to create friction amongst them. They would see it as the government paying cash for votes in parliament, and in doing so I think that could well cost votes in the country for the Conservative party, by the bucketload, at a subsequent election. So I have that political concern. | |
He said a Tory/DUP deal would put a strain on relations with Dublin. | |
He said it would be “trebly important” to consult widely on Brexit if there were a Tory/DUP deal. | |
If the government do form a deal with the DUP, and I can see that well might feel that they have to, then it is doubly important, trebly important, to consult on Brexit widely, both in and out of parliament. I think if that were a joint announcement with any deal with the DUP, I think it would be very helpful, because people would see that there isn’t going to be disproportionate pressure from one part of the United Kingdom. | |
He said a hard Brexit was “increasingly unsustainable” because people did not vote for it at the election. | |
I think the concept of what we crudely call a hard Brexit is becoming increasingly unsustainable. The views of those who wish to stay in are going to have to be born in mind to a much greater extent after this election. A hard Brexit was not endorsed by the electorate in this particular election. | |
He said the government should consult much more widely on Brexit. | |
It would be very wise indeed to bring in much wider parliamentary opinion so that when the prime minister has a deal, she can be certain that she’s going to have parliamentary and public support for that deal. | |
He also suggested that the government should be “more generous” on immigration, and consider remaining in the single market. | |
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Theresa May has left Downing Street for the Commons, where she will be in the chamber for the election of the Speaker when MPs meet for the first time. | |
The talks with the DUP have, at least temporarily, broken up. According to Sky, Arlene Foster, the DUP leader, has left No 10 by a side entrance, avoiding the TV cameras. | The talks with the DUP have, at least temporarily, broken up. According to Sky, Arlene Foster, the DUP leader, has left No 10 by a side entrance, avoiding the TV cameras. |
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John Major warns May that Tory/DUP deal could threaten Northern Ireland peace process | John Major warns May that Tory/DUP deal could threaten Northern Ireland peace process |
This is what Sir John Major, the Conservative former prime minister, said on The World at One about how a Tory/DUP pact could undermine the Northern Ireland peace process. | This is what Sir John Major, the Conservative former prime minister, said on The World at One about how a Tory/DUP pact could undermine the Northern Ireland peace process. |
I am concerned about the deal, I am wary about it, I am dubious about it, both for peace process reasons, and for other reasons as well ... | I am concerned about the deal, I am wary about it, I am dubious about it, both for peace process reasons, and for other reasons as well ... |
My main concern is the peace process. A fundamental part of that peace process is that the UK government needs to be impartial between all the competing interests in Northern Ireland. And the danger is that however much any government tries, they will not be seen to be impartial if they are locked into a parliamentary deal at Westminster with one of the Northern Ireland parties. And you never know in what unpredictable way events will turn out. And we cannot know if that impartiality is going to be crucial at some stage in the future. | My main concern is the peace process. A fundamental part of that peace process is that the UK government needs to be impartial between all the competing interests in Northern Ireland. And the danger is that however much any government tries, they will not be seen to be impartial if they are locked into a parliamentary deal at Westminster with one of the Northern Ireland parties. And you never know in what unpredictable way events will turn out. And we cannot know if that impartiality is going to be crucial at some stage in the future. |
If there difficulties with the Northern Ireland executive or with any one of a number of things that might well arise during the Brexit negotiations, it is very important that there’s an honest broker. And the only honest broker can be the UK government. | If there difficulties with the Northern Ireland executive or with any one of a number of things that might well arise during the Brexit negotiations, it is very important that there’s an honest broker. And the only honest broker can be the UK government. |
And the question arises, if they cease to be seen as such by part of the community in Northern Ireland, then one can’t be quite certain how events will unwind. And that worries me a great deal about the peace process. | And the question arises, if they cease to be seen as such by part of the community in Northern Ireland, then one can’t be quite certain how events will unwind. And that worries me a great deal about the peace process. |
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Here is the audio of Sir John Major’s World at One interview. | Here is the audio of Sir John Major’s World at One interview. |
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Major says voters did not support hard Brexit at election | Major says voters did not support hard Brexit at election |
Major says the government did not get a mandate for hard Brexit at the election. | Major says the government did not get a mandate for hard Brexit at the election. |
He says the government now needs to consult widely about a revised Brexit strategy. | He says the government now needs to consult widely about a revised Brexit strategy. |
Echoing what William Hague says in his Telegraph column (see 9.08am), he says the government should consult much more with other parties. | Echoing what William Hague says in his Telegraph column (see 9.08am), he says the government should consult much more with other parties. |
The interview is now over. | The interview is now over. |
It’s worth a full summary, and I will post one shortly. | It’s worth a full summary, and I will post one shortly. |
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John Major says he is 'dubious' of proposed Tory/DUP pact | John Major says he is 'dubious' of proposed Tory/DUP pact |
Sir John Major, the Conservative former prime minister, is on the World at One now talking about the proposed Tory/DUP deal. | Sir John Major, the Conservative former prime minister, is on the World at One now talking about the proposed Tory/DUP deal. |
He says he is “wary” and “dubious” about it. The deal could undermine the Northern Ireland peace process, he says. | He says he is “wary” and “dubious” about it. The deal could undermine the Northern Ireland peace process, he says. |
He says he does not think it is necessary, because he says the DUP would never bring down a minority Conservative government anyway. | He says he does not think it is necessary, because he says the DUP would never bring down a minority Conservative government anyway. |
And he says other parts of the UK will be angered if the deal involves Northern Ireland getting extra funding. | And he says other parts of the UK will be angered if the deal involves Northern Ireland getting extra funding. |
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On the Today programme this morning Lord Trimble, who was one of the architects of the Good Friday agreement as Ulster Unionist leader and who went on to become first minister of Northern Ireland, said he did not accept the argument that a Tory/DUP deal would undermine the peace process. | On the Today programme this morning Lord Trimble, who was one of the architects of the Good Friday agreement as Ulster Unionist leader and who went on to become first minister of Northern Ireland, said he did not accept the argument that a Tory/DUP deal would undermine the peace process. |
It has been argued that a deal would stop the UK government being a neutral arbiter in negotiations between unionists and nationalists. But Trimble claimed that “a fair amount of scaremongering” was going on and he said the Tory/DUP talks would not put the Good Friday agreement at risk. | It has been argued that a deal would stop the UK government being a neutral arbiter in negotiations between unionists and nationalists. But Trimble claimed that “a fair amount of scaremongering” was going on and he said the Tory/DUP talks would not put the Good Friday agreement at risk. |
Instead, he argued, the deal posed a risk to the DUP. | Instead, he argued, the deal posed a risk to the DUP. |
The DUP, by doing this, are putting themselves in a position where they may have to take responsibility for unpopular actions ... so they are taking a significant risk in going in. | The DUP, by doing this, are putting themselves in a position where they may have to take responsibility for unpopular actions ... so they are taking a significant risk in going in. |
Asked if any deal should go ahead, he said: | Asked if any deal should go ahead, he said: |
They are perfectly entitled to do it, this is not in any way different to what [James] Callaghan did in his arrangements with the liberals way back in the 70s, it’s not any different to what Nick Clegg did. | They are perfectly entitled to do it, this is not in any way different to what [James] Callaghan did in his arrangements with the liberals way back in the 70s, it’s not any different to what Nick Clegg did. |
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The Sun’s political editor Tom Newton Dunn says there is no guarantee we will get a Tory/DUP deal today. | The Sun’s political editor Tom Newton Dunn says there is no guarantee we will get a Tory/DUP deal today. |
Latest: I understand that a deal with the DUP today is by no means guaranteed. Quite a bit of hard ball is being played. | Latest: I understand that a deal with the DUP today is by no means guaranteed. Quite a bit of hard ball is being played. |
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Here is the No 10 read-out from today’s cabinet meeting. This is from a spokesperson. | Here is the No 10 read-out from today’s cabinet meeting. This is from a spokesperson. |
In the first cabinet meeting since the election, ministers discussed the forthcoming Queen’s speech, including the legislative programme required to deliver the best possible Brexit deal for the whole United Kingdom. | In the first cabinet meeting since the election, ministers discussed the forthcoming Queen’s speech, including the legislative programme required to deliver the best possible Brexit deal for the whole United Kingdom. |
Ministers also received an update on the appalling terrorist attacks in Manchester and London during the general election campaign. The home Secretary and the health secretary praised the extraordinary response of the police and emergency services to both incidents. | Ministers also received an update on the appalling terrorist attacks in Manchester and London during the general election campaign. The home Secretary and the health secretary praised the extraordinary response of the police and emergency services to both incidents. |
Cabinet also discussed the ongoing talks with the DUP to secure a confidence and supply arrangement. | Cabinet also discussed the ongoing talks with the DUP to secure a confidence and supply arrangement. |
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DUP leader Arlene Foster arrives at No 10 for talks with Theresa May | DUP leader Arlene Foster arrives at No 10 for talks with Theresa May |
Arlene Foster, the DUP leader, and her deputy Nigel Dodds, the leader of the DUP group at Westminster, have arrived at No 10 for talks with Theresa May about the Tory/DUP “confidence and supply agreement”. This is the deal that will keep the minority Conservative government in power by ensuring that the 10 DUP MPs vote with it on confidence motions and key budget votes. | Arlene Foster, the DUP leader, and her deputy Nigel Dodds, the leader of the DUP group at Westminster, have arrived at No 10 for talks with Theresa May about the Tory/DUP “confidence and supply agreement”. This is the deal that will keep the minority Conservative government in power by ensuring that the 10 DUP MPs vote with it on confidence motions and key budget votes. |