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| Peers to battle over 42-day plan | Peers to battle over 42-day plan |
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| Tony Blair's former attorney general and Lord Chancellor are set to lead the charge against plans to extend the time terror suspects can be held to 42 days. | Tony Blair's former attorney general and Lord Chancellor are set to lead the charge against plans to extend the time terror suspects can be held to 42 days. |
| Lord Goldsmith and Lord Falconer are expected to attack the proposals when peers open debate on the Counter Terrorism Bill later on Tuesday. | Lord Goldsmith and Lord Falconer are expected to attack the proposals when peers open debate on the Counter Terrorism Bill later on Tuesday. |
| The House of Lords is widely expected to block the plan which scraped through the Commons by just nine votes in June. | The House of Lords is widely expected to block the plan which scraped through the Commons by just nine votes in June. |
| A rebellion by Labour MPs meant it passed only thanks to DUP MPs' backing. | A rebellion by Labour MPs meant it passed only thanks to DUP MPs' backing. |
| Prime Minister Gordon Brown's plan looks set to face an even tougher battle in the Lords, where the combined total of Tory and Lib Dem peers heavily out number Labour members. | Prime Minister Gordon Brown's plan looks set to face an even tougher battle in the Lords, where the combined total of Tory and Lib Dem peers heavily out number Labour members. |
| 'Case not made' | 'Case not made' |
| The crunch debate comes before Thursday's Haltemprice and Howden by-election which was sparked by ex-shadow home secretary David Davis's resignation after the vote on 42 day detention before charge. | The crunch debate comes before Thursday's Haltemprice and Howden by-election which was sparked by ex-shadow home secretary David Davis's resignation after the vote on 42 day detention before charge. |
| Mr Davis said he wanted to stand for re-election on a civil liberties platform. | Mr Davis said he wanted to stand for re-election on a civil liberties platform. |
| This draconian proposal will be defeated in the House of Lords Lord ThomasLiberal Democrats | This draconian proposal will be defeated in the House of Lords Lord ThomasLiberal Democrats |
| But neither Labour nor the Liberal Democrats have entered candidates for the contest. | But neither Labour nor the Liberal Democrats have entered candidates for the contest. |
| The Conservatives and Lib Dems say they plan to defeat the 42-day measure when the bill reaches its detailed parliamentary stages, possibly after the long summer recess. | The Conservatives and Lib Dems say they plan to defeat the 42-day measure when the bill reaches its detailed parliamentary stages, possibly after the long summer recess. |
| Lord Goldsmith, who was the legal adviser to Tony Blair's government after the terror attacks on London and in the run up to the Iraq invasion, is down to speak in the debate and has made no secret of his opposition to the plans. | Lord Goldsmith, who was the legal adviser to Tony Blair's government after the terror attacks on London and in the run up to the Iraq invasion, is down to speak in the debate and has made no secret of his opposition to the plans. |
| He says "the case has not been made" to extend the limit on holding terror suspects, and he could not support it. | He says "the case has not been made" to extend the limit on holding terror suspects, and he could not support it. |
| He also argued that extending the pre-charge limit to 42 days would send a message to Muslims "that we are down on them". | He also argued that extending the pre-charge limit to 42 days would send a message to Muslims "that we are down on them". |
| 'Discredited policy' | 'Discredited policy' |
| Lord Thomas, who speaks on attorney general issues for the Lib Dems, said: "Holding someone without charge for 42 days adds nothing of value to the investigation, prosecution or conviction of terrorists. | Lord Thomas, who speaks on attorney general issues for the Lib Dems, said: "Holding someone without charge for 42 days adds nothing of value to the investigation, prosecution or conviction of terrorists. |
| "The government's proposals do not have serious support amongst senior police officers, ex-government law officers, the Director of Public Prosecutions, the legal profession or indeed, anyone who knows anything about the criminal justice process. | "The government's proposals do not have serious support amongst senior police officers, ex-government law officers, the Director of Public Prosecutions, the legal profession or indeed, anyone who knows anything about the criminal justice process. |
| "Gordon Brown's clinging to the shreds of his discredited policy in the hope that he can pass off this ineffective and unprincipled stance as somehow 'tough' on terror. | "Gordon Brown's clinging to the shreds of his discredited policy in the hope that he can pass off this ineffective and unprincipled stance as somehow 'tough' on terror. |
| "This draconian proposal will be defeated in the House of Lords." | "This draconian proposal will be defeated in the House of Lords." |
| Attempts to extend the terror detention limit to 90 days in 2005 ended in Mr Blair's first Commons defeat as prime minister. |