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| What would a win for Corbyn mean for Labour? Join our live look at the week | What would a win for Corbyn mean for Labour? Join our live look at the week |
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| You’ve been sharing your views on Jeremy Corbyn after reading John Harris’s thoughts earlier. | |
| I’m of the opinion – I think – that all this discord is a sign of a party fighting its way through an unavoidable crisis, and very little will become clear within the next five years. | |
| I think I agree - however I think it will take less than 5 years, because I think that the acolytes will most definitely go for full control with de-selections and that will force the issue to a more rapid conclusion than might be imagined. The PLP know Corbyn has to be allowed to fail , there is no point challenging him at all , and that really is the case . A reading of the serenity prayer may help them out. | |
| Corbyn has strengths and he has weaknesses, like all of us. His strengths are considerable. More than doubling Labour party membership in a year so the party is now the biggest in Europe, enthusing and giving badly needed hope to hundreds of thousands, having consistently made the right call on key issues as Ronan Bennett pointed out in a recent piece, and refusing to respond to endless personal abuse received not only from the Tories but, shamefully, his own side. If his PLP would notice and respect these considerable and actually remarkable qualities, and give him assistance where he is weaker, rather than the persistent undermining that has gone on so far, the Labour party would start looking like a party of government again | |
| What does a Corbyn win mean for Labour. | |
| It means they have to knock on the doorsteps of Middle England and explain to the voters why they are stuck with a leader that enjoys a 172 vote of no-confidence from his own MPs. | |
| A useless leader, in other words, and this time we don't even need the right wing media to tell us about it. | |
| John- there is so much bad blood I am not sure detente could work. As soon as this calms down it'll flare up again. I honestly think there needs to be a split in the party. The Corbyn camp will go as a 'mass movement' (although I honestly think they'll get a shock in a GE as they find the mass support is sizeable as far as a movement goes, but a tiny percentage of the mainstream). | |
| The 'professional' wing of the parliamentary party are also goosed. They cannot realistically work with the grass roots any longer. | |
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| The Conservaitves will eventually over-reach and fall, but no time soon | |
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| The Guardian’s Polly Toynbee also gives her thoughts on the Labour leadership battle. | |
| It looks as if Labour will be no better off when the leadership result is announced tomorrow. Following a Tony Benn dictum, Jeremy Corbyn used to demand a leadership ballot every year – and now he may get it. The party is so deeply and permanently divided, I see no way the two sides can come together until some other leader emerges more or less acceptable to both. If Owen Smith manages to get over 40% it will count as a success for non-Corbynites, but it will show how far the name “Labour” houses two quite different parties now. Many members warn they will quit, but democracy always rights itself in the end. Some day, goodness knows when, the Conservatives will over-reach and fall. But maybe not for years – so that’s cold comfort. | |
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| What next for Labour and Jeremy Corbyn? | What next for Labour and Jeremy Corbyn? |
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| Labour’s bitter leadership contest is set to come to a head this Saturday, with the result of the ballot due to be announced. Here, the Guardian’s John Harris talked about what we can expect. | Labour’s bitter leadership contest is set to come to a head this Saturday, with the result of the ballot due to be announced. Here, the Guardian’s John Harris talked about what we can expect. |
| Corbyn has won – we know that. The Labour party is in a much more uncertain position: seemingly largely united as far as its newly inflated membership is concerned, but also troubled further towards the top. Some MPs are taking minders with them to the party conference. The party’s national executive thinks online abuse is such a toxic issue that it will now require members to sign up to a new code of conduct. There are voices on all sides of the party talking about “unity and taking the fight to the Tories” (it’s a cliche already), but the chances of all those MPs dutifully settling down and accepting Corbyn’s pre-eminence seem slim. Meanwhile, some voices – witness this parish’s Paul Mason – are calling for the most intransigent parliamentary anti-Corbynites to be replaced: “deselected”, as the Labour vernacular would have it. | |
| I’m curious to know: do people think JC and his people now have to complete their dominance of the party, or do they prefer the idea of a concerted attempt at some kind of detente? Do they even think that’s even possible? And also, is it time we all got our heads straight and acknowledged that Labour/the left is faced with a much longer haul than anything beginning with a win in 2020? I’m of the opinion – I think – that all this discord is a sign of a party fighting its way through an unavoidable crisis, and very little will become clear within the next five years. | |
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| Popular this week was a documentary on Donald Trump supporters, with the Guardian’s Paul Lewis interviewing a variety of people in Ohio (including Kathy Miller, who was chair of Republican presidential candidate campaign in Mahoning County). Great lines include Miller saying that there was no racism in the US until Obama. | Popular this week was a documentary on Donald Trump supporters, with the Guardian’s Paul Lewis interviewing a variety of people in Ohio (including Kathy Miller, who was chair of Republican presidential candidate campaign in Mahoning County). Great lines include Miller saying that there was no racism in the US until Obama. |
| Another top story was based on a new survey finding that significant numbers of under 30s lack self-confidence and are at risk of mental health problems, with women the worst affected. | Another top story was based on a new survey finding that significant numbers of under 30s lack self-confidence and are at risk of mental health problems, with women the worst affected. |
| A number of readers were also (understandably) outraged by news that Mary Berry, queen of cakes, is leaving the Great British Bake Off as it moves to Channel 4. | A number of readers were also (understandably) outraged by news that Mary Berry, queen of cakes, is leaving the Great British Bake Off as it moves to Channel 4. |
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