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| Does it matter if your in-laws hate you? Catch up on our live look at the week | |
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| We are just about to wrap up above the line, but encourage you to continue comments below the line. | |
| Lots of interesting debate this week, hope everyone has a good weekend. Share your plans with us in the comments. | |
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| Why Fabric's closure matters | Why Fabric's closure matters |
| Sarah Marsh | Sarah Marsh |
| I remember hearing about Fabric long before I could legally go clubbing. It appeared as some mythical beast, a talking point among my teenage friends. It was the place to go. I only ever went once or twice, and to be honest it was never really my kind of club. I prefer smaller and more intimate venues. However, even though electronic music isn’t really my bag I can appreciate the importance of Fabric: it has helped bring on DJs and develop a vibrant and diverse music scene in the capital. It’s sad to see it shut its doors. I spoke to readers about what they will remember about the club this week – what do you think about its closure? | I remember hearing about Fabric long before I could legally go clubbing. It appeared as some mythical beast, a talking point among my teenage friends. It was the place to go. I only ever went once or twice, and to be honest it was never really my kind of club. I prefer smaller and more intimate venues. However, even though electronic music isn’t really my bag I can appreciate the importance of Fabric: it has helped bring on DJs and develop a vibrant and diverse music scene in the capital. It’s sad to see it shut its doors. I spoke to readers about what they will remember about the club this week – what do you think about its closure? |
| Share your thoughts. | Share your thoughts. |
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| Pregnant and screwed: how can we make it fairer for women at work? | Pregnant and screwed: how can we make it fairer for women at work? |
| Karen McVeigh | Karen McVeigh |
| If anyone was in any doubt about whether, in 2016, woman are still penalised at work for having functioning wombs, they should turn to Pregnant Then Screwed: a website where women can post their all-too-common tales of prejudice in the workplace. It makes depressing reading: from longstanding, loyal employees forced out due to a lack of flexible working, to pregnant women who have ended up in hospital due to their company’s failure to follow a risk assessment. | If anyone was in any doubt about whether, in 2016, woman are still penalised at work for having functioning wombs, they should turn to Pregnant Then Screwed: a website where women can post their all-too-common tales of prejudice in the workplace. It makes depressing reading: from longstanding, loyal employees forced out due to a lack of flexible working, to pregnant women who have ended up in hospital due to their company’s failure to follow a risk assessment. |
| Last week, following a study earlier this year showing pregnancy discrimination has worsened over the last decade, MPs recommended Britain adopt the German model, where employers face a dismissal ban (with certain exceptions, for instance where there has been gross misconduct ) on pregnant women and new mothers. What do you think can be done? | Last week, following a study earlier this year showing pregnancy discrimination has worsened over the last decade, MPs recommended Britain adopt the German model, where employers face a dismissal ban (with certain exceptions, for instance where there has been gross misconduct ) on pregnant women and new mothers. What do you think can be done? |
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| How can you improve a bad relationship with your in-laws? | How can you improve a bad relationship with your in-laws? |
| Sarah Marsh | Sarah Marsh |
| One reader had a not-so-great relationship with their in-laws, and opted for a rather unusual solution ... | One reader had a not-so-great relationship with their in-laws, and opted for a rather unusual solution ... |
| Mine wouldn't acknowledge my existence for 10 years to the point my wife was not allowed to talk about me at all when her father was present - it certainly gives one a perspective on basic racism. | Mine wouldn't acknowledge my existence for 10 years to the point my wife was not allowed to talk about me at all when her father was present - it certainly gives one a perspective on basic racism. |
| Eventually though the mediation of an aunt the situation was resolved but only by the somewhat bizarre mechanism of pretending we had just met and it was entirely new as a relationship and pretending the last decade basically never happened. | Eventually though the mediation of an aunt the situation was resolved but only by the somewhat bizarre mechanism of pretending we had just met and it was entirely new as a relationship and pretending the last decade basically never happened. |
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| Matthew Holmes | Matthew Holmes |
| Thanks to this comment on the whether there’s a future of the left ... | Thanks to this comment on the whether there’s a future of the left ... |
| Yes, they're a very good band from Wales. | Yes, they're a very good band from Wales. |
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_the_Left | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_the_Left |
| I’m off to listen to The Peace & Truce of The Future of the Left. So far so good ... | I’m off to listen to The Peace & Truce of The Future of the Left. So far so good ... |
| Thanks! | Thanks! |
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| Does it really matter if your in-laws hate you? | Does it really matter if your in-laws hate you? |
| Philippa Perry | Philippa Perry |
| One of our readers sent this question in via our form this week and psychotherapist Philippa Perry answers it below. If you have a question you want answered next week, then share it here. | One of our readers sent this question in via our form this week and psychotherapist Philippa Perry answers it below. If you have a question you want answered next week, then share it here. |
| It matters if your in-laws hate you. They’re going to be upset, you’re going to be upset, your partner is going to feel pretty horrible too. Dislike can be easier to feel than fear or sadness, and takes less effort than love. My mother in-law loathed me so much. I tried to love her but in the end opted for self-protection and cut off contact. My father sneered at my sister’s husband who won him round in the end by lovingly caring for him in his old age. Why it matters is because all that hating was such a waste of life. | It matters if your in-laws hate you. They’re going to be upset, you’re going to be upset, your partner is going to feel pretty horrible too. Dislike can be easier to feel than fear or sadness, and takes less effort than love. My mother in-law loathed me so much. I tried to love her but in the end opted for self-protection and cut off contact. My father sneered at my sister’s husband who won him round in the end by lovingly caring for him in his old age. Why it matters is because all that hating was such a waste of life. |
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| 'Freaks on the peaks': the lonely lives of the last remaining forest fire lookouts | 'Freaks on the peaks': the lonely lives of the last remaining forest fire lookouts |
| Rory Carroll | Rory Carroll |
| I heard about the lookouts a few months ago while reporting another fire-related story, about Smokejumpers, and so lobbied the US Forest service to visit one. The trip up to the Stonewall lookout in Montana is, as you’d expect, gorgeous. But also stark. A big fire scorched the forest in 2003 and it’s still recovering. One dilemma with this story was using the term “freaks”. Lookouts use the term themselves as an insider, jokey term but in print it could seem harsh and mocking. Judging by the near universally positive reactions of readers – everyone seems to want to do this job – I think the article makes clear lookouts have an important and special role. | I heard about the lookouts a few months ago while reporting another fire-related story, about Smokejumpers, and so lobbied the US Forest service to visit one. The trip up to the Stonewall lookout in Montana is, as you’d expect, gorgeous. But also stark. A big fire scorched the forest in 2003 and it’s still recovering. One dilemma with this story was using the term “freaks”. Lookouts use the term themselves as an insider, jokey term but in print it could seem harsh and mocking. Judging by the near universally positive reactions of readers – everyone seems to want to do this job – I think the article makes clear lookouts have an important and special role. |
| What articles did you enjoy this week? Share them in the comments. | What articles did you enjoy this week? Share them in the comments. |
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| Star Trek 50th anniversary | Star Trek 50th anniversary |
| From the archive, we’ve got these articles on the beloved Star Trek. One is from June 1974 and the other is from February 1973, about an annual Star Trek convention. | From the archive, we’ve got these articles on the beloved Star Trek. One is from June 1974 and the other is from February 1973, about an annual Star Trek convention. |
| They comes as Star Trek turns 50 this week, making those of us who grew up on the progressive, optimistic science fiction franchise feeling rather out of time in an increasingly non-progressive era. A reminder, if you’re a fan we’re also collecting your Star Trek stories and pictures – click the blue GuardianWitness buttons to find out more. | They comes as Star Trek turns 50 this week, making those of us who grew up on the progressive, optimistic science fiction franchise feeling rather out of time in an increasingly non-progressive era. A reminder, if you’re a fan we’re also collecting your Star Trek stories and pictures – click the blue GuardianWitness buttons to find out more. |
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| Did the latest iPhone launch event excite you? | Did the latest iPhone launch event excite you? |
| Matthew Holmes | Matthew Holmes |
| Tech news this week was dominated (sorry, Playstation fans) by Apple’s announcement of a new phone, and, as well as its wearable (obviously) Watch, some new “loseables” in the form of the Airpod wireless headphones. | Tech news this week was dominated (sorry, Playstation fans) by Apple’s announcement of a new phone, and, as well as its wearable (obviously) Watch, some new “loseables” in the form of the Airpod wireless headphones. |
| $159/£120?? based on my consumption of £5 headphones from Tesco I reckon an iphone 7 will cost me about two grand a year. | $159/£120?? based on my consumption of £5 headphones from Tesco I reckon an iphone 7 will cost me about two grand a year. |
| Our readers had predicted what new features there might be after the Technology desk asked them what they thought the company might do next. They were, pretty much, spot on, and we also saw predictably “mixed” reaction as the announcements came. | Our readers had predicted what new features there might be after the Technology desk asked them what they thought the company might do next. They were, pretty much, spot on, and we also saw predictably “mixed” reaction as the announcements came. |
| And just when we thought the year couldn't get any worse, Apple goes and drops the trusted headphone jack. | And just when we thought the year couldn't get any worse, Apple goes and drops the trusted headphone jack. |
| Stupid, stupid, stupid. | Stupid, stupid, stupid. |
| You can't beat cables for sound quality. No wireless transmission has yet been able to match a simple cable for uncompressed sound quality. | You can't beat cables for sound quality. No wireless transmission has yet been able to match a simple cable for uncompressed sound quality. |
| No 7 for me. | No 7 for me. |
| What do you think? Is the phone just a fashion accessory? Perhaps you’re genuinely excited? Or maybe your interest was most piqued by the prospect of a new Mario game to ship with the handsets. | What do you think? Is the phone just a fashion accessory? Perhaps you’re genuinely excited? Or maybe your interest was most piqued by the prospect of a new Mario game to ship with the handsets. |
| Whatever you’re thinking, let us know in the comments below. | Whatever you’re thinking, let us know in the comments below. |
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| The future of the left is a topic you won’t move away from quickly – there’s been some really interesting exchanges and we hope they continue. If you spot a comment up here you can click on it to scroll directly to that point in the conversation – and get involved. | The future of the left is a topic you won’t move away from quickly – there’s been some really interesting exchanges and we hope they continue. If you spot a comment up here you can click on it to scroll directly to that point in the conversation – and get involved. |
| Agree with Harris. Labour's dead. And it wont take a long time before the tories realise that the same thing is going to happen to them. The party's been captured by the hard right-wing and, at some point, the centrists will become a complete irrelevance. | Agree with Harris. Labour's dead. And it wont take a long time before the tories realise that the same thing is going to happen to them. The party's been captured by the hard right-wing and, at some point, the centrists will become a complete irrelevance. |
| What we may see is a fragmentation, even atomisation, of mainstream political parties. In both the case of Labour and the Tories, the parties are increasingly becoming representative of narrow interest of core members. Tory members have always been very euro-sceptic and held a strong anti-immigration line. The brexit vote has legitimised those views and those euro-sceptic MPs who were once on the fringes and largely dismissed by their peers are now the ones calling the shots. The narrow victory by the Leave campaign has given them the confidence to push forward policies and ideas that are hugely divisive in the mistaken belief that these policies are supporters by a broad church. The way in which the Tory party has framed the Brexit vote as an almost exclusively anti-immigration vote and have pushed for grammar schools (despite the fact it was not in their manifesto) are good examples of this phenomenon. With Labour, you have a so-called social movement which demands that all MPS reflect the views of the majority of the membership, instead of looking to reflect the wide spectrum of interest and views of Labour voters. Just like the Tories they believe that this narrow movement holds great support across the UK. If only the media would give them a fair shot. If only the MPs would support the leader. If, if ... | What we may see is a fragmentation, even atomisation, of mainstream political parties. In both the case of Labour and the Tories, the parties are increasingly becoming representative of narrow interest of core members. Tory members have always been very euro-sceptic and held a strong anti-immigration line. The brexit vote has legitimised those views and those euro-sceptic MPs who were once on the fringes and largely dismissed by their peers are now the ones calling the shots. The narrow victory by the Leave campaign has given them the confidence to push forward policies and ideas that are hugely divisive in the mistaken belief that these policies are supporters by a broad church. The way in which the Tory party has framed the Brexit vote as an almost exclusively anti-immigration vote and have pushed for grammar schools (despite the fact it was not in their manifesto) are good examples of this phenomenon. With Labour, you have a so-called social movement which demands that all MPS reflect the views of the majority of the membership, instead of looking to reflect the wide spectrum of interest and views of Labour voters. Just like the Tories they believe that this narrow movement holds great support across the UK. If only the media would give them a fair shot. If only the MPs would support the leader. If, if ... |
| There is of course no need to have parties that act as broad and inclusive churches. There's nothing wrong with having parties that represent very specific and narrow interest. But if the political system is dominated by such parties then you need a system of proportional representation. And we wont get that until the Tories realise its in their interests to have one. | There is of course no need to have parties that act as broad and inclusive churches. There's nothing wrong with having parties that represent very specific and narrow interest. But if the political system is dominated by such parties then you need a system of proportional representation. And we wont get that until the Tories realise its in their interests to have one. |
| It's not quite that Labour's dead, which is why I talk about the end of the Labour Party as we know it. Some (or a lot) of what it encompasses at the moment will be part of the left's future: e.g if the leadership of the unions would start to better answer the question of how to organise in a fragmented, "platform" economy, we'd get a sense of their (absolutely necessary) involvement. | It's not quite that Labour's dead, which is why I talk about the end of the Labour Party as we know it. Some (or a lot) of what it encompasses at the moment will be part of the left's future: e.g if the leadership of the unions would start to better answer the question of how to organise in a fragmented, "platform" economy, we'd get a sense of their (absolutely necessary) involvement. |
| Two questions usually give you a sense of whether a group or individual has a sense of the left's future: 1)Do they want to change the electoral system and embrace plural politics, and 2)Are they interested in UBI? (Note: a depressingly large swathe of Labour, left and right, would answer 'No' to both) | Two questions usually give you a sense of whether a group or individual has a sense of the left's future: 1)Do they want to change the electoral system and embrace plural politics, and 2)Are they interested in UBI? (Note: a depressingly large swathe of Labour, left and right, would answer 'No' to both) |
| Has the left a future? Possibly if it comes up with new solutions to the issues of today rather than using old failed solutions. Millions more people each year are gaining standards of living that only the elite could afford a generation ago but the left don't like to focus on the positives - hence the move to talk about inequality of wealth rather than whether standards of living are rising (you can have zero wealth but a decent standard of living). The left needs to talk about real solutions and show them working rather than theoretical six form debating niave policies. | Has the left a future? Possibly if it comes up with new solutions to the issues of today rather than using old failed solutions. Millions more people each year are gaining standards of living that only the elite could afford a generation ago but the left don't like to focus on the positives - hence the move to talk about inequality of wealth rather than whether standards of living are rising (you can have zero wealth but a decent standard of living). The left needs to talk about real solutions and show them working rather than theoretical six form debating niave policies. |
| Can you accept that challenge? | Can you accept that challenge? |