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| Do we need to change UK divorce laws? Join our live look at the week | Do we need to change UK divorce laws? Join our live look at the week |
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| You’re still sharing baking successes and failures via GuardianWitness – including some wedding related which really did seem to go well. | |
| Wedding cake | |
| Made by me (dad), for our son's wedding. | |
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| By terry101 | |
| 24 August 2016, 21:39 | |
| First Attempt at Wedding Cakes | |
| My girlfriend and I (who are not professional bakers but had made a well received cake for my dad's birthday a few months before) were asked to make cakes for my brothers wedding. Five in total. I think they went well. So did the children! | |
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| By 5M3llyp4nt5 | |
| 24 August 2016, 20:05 | |
| And here are are a couple more for anyone who might be celebrating a birthday around now ... | |
| Don't judge a cake by its candles | |
| It looks ridiculous but it wasn't actually all that bad. (Although, I think the sugar blast from the secret lemon curd centre helped - no one could string a sentence together for all the heart palpitations) | |
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| By KatieLB | |
| 25 August 2016, 12:16 | |
| Princess castle cake | |
| Not for a child, but a 33 year old colleague! | |
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| By ID3700201 | |
| 24 August 2016, 23:14 | |
| My son's birthday cake | |
| Rather over estimated my ability to create a caterpillar cake. | |
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| By Juliet Porter | |
| 25 August 2016, 11:56 | |
| Add yours via the blue GuardianWitness buttons or by clicking here. | |
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| Wedding day woes: 'the groom made his way to A&E' | |
| Matthew Holmes | |
| Sticking with the marriage theme. Last week we asked you for your wedding day disasters and boy, your stories did not disappoint. | |
| In the comments, more tales of woe ... all of them completely truthful we’re sure: | |
| Attended a wedding when during the evening meal the groom had to be excused as a piece of beef had become lodged in his throat. Groom made his way to local A&E accompanied by his father. Groom returned a few hours later just in time for the first dance. Unfortunately the beef remained lodged in his throat so around 10.30pm the groom and his wife headed back to A&E dressed in their finery not returning until 5.00am the next morning. Going to get them Beefeater vouchers for their 1st anniversary. | |
| My mother made the bridesmaid dresses for my sister's wedding 30 years ago. Lilac satin, cut on the bias and extremely unforgiving. They'd fitted alright before but each of the bridesmaids had filled out a bit. I was the worst and the big fry that morning that my mother insisted would sustain us didn't help. I took my knickers off ( discreetly ) on the lawn of the hotel to avoid VPL and went commando. Small acts of rebellion sustain me still. | |
| We did see quite a few success stories, however ... not all of them popular! | |
| As someone else below has pointed out, there are SO many smug comments on this thread.Marry or don't, have a big party or a small one, have your family there or elope just the two of you - it really doesn't matter as long as it is what works for your relationship. | |
| I am getting married next year to the absolute love of my life. I am desperately excited and can't wait for the day to come - not because it will be "the best day of my life" (because as we can all see from these stories, there is so much to go wrong!) or because I get to wear a nice dress. I can't wait because it will be the first day I get to be married to the best human I've ever met. | |
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| Is it time to overhaul the UK's divorce system? | Is it time to overhaul the UK's divorce system? |
| Emine Saner | Emine Saner |
| I was cheered to catch up with Jim Halfens, who invented the “divorce hotel” in the Netherlands (for an article published this week), where soon-to-be former couples get a split finalised in a weekend. He’s getting married in a couple of weeks. | I was cheered to catch up with Jim Halfens, who invented the “divorce hotel” in the Netherlands (for an article published this week), where soon-to-be former couples get a split finalised in a weekend. He’s getting married in a couple of weeks. |
| He wants to bring his divorce hotel concept to the UK, and thinks we’re in need of overhauling our divorce laws. He’s not the only one. Resolution, the organisation of family lawyers who favour a non-confrontational, mediating approach, has long been calling for the introduction of a no-fault divorce. At present, unless you have been living apart from your spouse for at least two years, the only way to get divorced quickly is by citing adultery or unreasonable behaviour. Often neither have occurred. Other countries have a no-fault system, but MPs seem to have no desire to introduce it here. A no-fault divorce, say those who oppose it, would undermine marriage. Do you agree? | He wants to bring his divorce hotel concept to the UK, and thinks we’re in need of overhauling our divorce laws. He’s not the only one. Resolution, the organisation of family lawyers who favour a non-confrontational, mediating approach, has long been calling for the introduction of a no-fault divorce. At present, unless you have been living apart from your spouse for at least two years, the only way to get divorced quickly is by citing adultery or unreasonable behaviour. Often neither have occurred. Other countries have a no-fault system, but MPs seem to have no desire to introduce it here. A no-fault divorce, say those who oppose it, would undermine marriage. Do you agree? |
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| Video of the week – men don't cry | Video of the week – men don't cry |
| Irene Baqué | Irene Baqué |
| London filmmaker Mollie Mills explores what it is to be a young man in 2016. In a series of beautifully shot sequences, Mills allows today’s young men to talk about what is really going on below the surface. | London filmmaker Mollie Mills explores what it is to be a young man in 2016. In a series of beautifully shot sequences, Mills allows today’s young men to talk about what is really going on below the surface. |
| Her poetic images reflect what one young man says it the only three options open to today’s men: you can either be happy, angry, or strong. It’s because of this rigid idea of masculinity that suicide is the biggest killer of young men under age 45 in this country. | Her poetic images reflect what one young man says it the only three options open to today’s men: you can either be happy, angry, or strong. It’s because of this rigid idea of masculinity that suicide is the biggest killer of young men under age 45 in this country. |
| What do you think about this? Am keen to hear thoughts below the line. | What do you think about this? Am keen to hear thoughts below the line. |
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| Quite the discussion point, this – you’ve been quick to defend some of the ‘worst words’ choices referenced in the news story, but have many of your own nominations ... | Quite the discussion point, this – you’ve been quick to defend some of the ‘worst words’ choices referenced in the news story, but have many of your own nominations ... |
| I think it a bit harsh to condemn 'hello' as being one of the 'worst' words in the language, 'moist' does have unfortunate connotations particularly when in conjunction with 'gusset' | I think it a bit harsh to condemn 'hello' as being one of the 'worst' words in the language, 'moist' does have unfortunate connotations particularly when in conjunction with 'gusset' |
| Someone I went to school with was called Mona Flood, you can probably guess what her unfortunate nickname was | Someone I went to school with was called Mona Flood, you can probably guess what her unfortunate nickname was |
| Are 'moist' and 'hello' the worst English words? | Are 'moist' and 'hello' the worst English words? |
| Definitely worse if you get a moist hello. | Definitely worse if you get a moist hello. |
| Depends who from I would assume. | Depends who from I would assume. |
| I hate portmanteau words, they are just lazy. | I hate portmanteau words, they are just lazy. |
| emoji in general. | emoji in general. |
| taken 4000 years to get back to hieroglyphics | taken 4000 years to get back to hieroglyphics |
| pointless, but hey... whatever | pointless, but hey... whatever |
| Unpopluar choice amongst some I'd guess: entitled. | Unpopluar choice amongst some I'd guess: entitled. |
| If anyone does things you don't like, you can spring out the word "entitled" to ascribe the worst possible behaviour and motives, without having to prove them or even bother thinking about it too much. | If anyone does things you don't like, you can spring out the word "entitled" to ascribe the worst possible behaviour and motives, without having to prove them or even bother thinking about it too much. |
| 'So' - at the start of every feckin sentence...what's that all about? | 'So' - at the start of every feckin sentence...what's that all about? |
| Alas we can report that Oxford Dictionaries has halted search for most disliked word after “severe misuse”– for more on the “flood of offensive choices” their website received take a look at our colleague Alison Flood’s piece at the following link: | Alas we can report that Oxford Dictionaries has halted search for most disliked word after “severe misuse”– for more on the “flood of offensive choices” their website received take a look at our colleague Alison Flood’s piece at the following link: |
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| Two articles you loved – from wedding rings to disliked words | Two articles you loved – from wedding rings to disliked words |
| Guardian readers | Guardian readers |
| Our readers wrote in to tell us about the articles they enjoyed this week (via this form here). | Our readers wrote in to tell us about the articles they enjoyed this week (via this form here). |
| What were your highlights? | What were your highlights? |
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| Apropos of not much other than what time of day it is, as well as those baking successes and failures readers are sharing what they’ve been eating for lunch ... | Apropos of not much other than what time of day it is, as well as those baking successes and failures readers are sharing what they’ve been eating for lunch ... |
| Well I'm having a bacon, egg and black pudding sandwich for lunch. | Well I'm having a bacon, egg and black pudding sandwich for lunch. |
| I've got pitta filled with hummus, carrot and cucumber. Swap? | I've got pitta filled with hummus, carrot and cucumber. Swap? |
| No deal, we reckon. But spare a thought for poor Patrick, who seems to need a dash of stoicism with his soup ... | No deal, we reckon. But spare a thought for poor Patrick, who seems to need a dash of stoicism with his soup ... |
| I've got an Asparagus Cup-a-Soup I found in the cupboard, because I forgot my wallet. It's horrible. | I've got an Asparagus Cup-a-Soup I found in the cupboard, because I forgot my wallet. It's horrible. |
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| What I am reading this week – by Tash Reith-Banks | What I am reading this week – by Tash Reith-Banks |
| Tash Reith-Banks | Tash Reith-Banks |
| I came across a great piece on aeon by physicist Sabine Hossenfelder. Like me, Hossenfelder receives a lot of correspondence from amateur physicists. Usually they claim to have proved Einstein wrong, or that a recent breakthrough is a fraud; sometimes they are reporting a breakthrough of their own. All are frustrated that mainstream academics and media alike are ignoring their work. As someone who, unfortunately, does mostly hit delete, I was fascinated by Hossenfelder’s own decision to stop deleting and start engaging. She has opened a hotline, offering physics consultation, including theory development. There are, of course, arguments to be had about whether charging people to talk science is promoting a different type of insiderism. But it’s an interesting form of engagement and seems to be working – one of her clients is even preparing to publish a bona fide academic paper. | I came across a great piece on aeon by physicist Sabine Hossenfelder. Like me, Hossenfelder receives a lot of correspondence from amateur physicists. Usually they claim to have proved Einstein wrong, or that a recent breakthrough is a fraud; sometimes they are reporting a breakthrough of their own. All are frustrated that mainstream academics and media alike are ignoring their work. As someone who, unfortunately, does mostly hit delete, I was fascinated by Hossenfelder’s own decision to stop deleting and start engaging. She has opened a hotline, offering physics consultation, including theory development. There are, of course, arguments to be had about whether charging people to talk science is promoting a different type of insiderism. But it’s an interesting form of engagement and seems to be working – one of her clients is even preparing to publish a bona fide academic paper. |
| What have you been reading this week? Tell us below the line. | What have you been reading this week? Tell us below the line. |
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| Your comments on Traingate so far | Your comments on Traingate so far |
| You’ve been following the story with interest below the line – here are some of your views so far, some in response to our question, “was it a fuss over nothing?” | You’ve been following the story with interest below the line – here are some of your views so far, some in response to our question, “was it a fuss over nothing?” |
| I don't think it was necessarily fuss over nothing - it was caught in an odd crossfire between Silly Season non-story and the Corbyn hype train (no pun intended) meaning that it grew into something more than that non-story while half the people commenting on it complained that it wasn't a story. Erm...are you keeping up? | I don't think it was necessarily fuss over nothing - it was caught in an odd crossfire between Silly Season non-story and the Corbyn hype train (no pun intended) meaning that it grew into something more than that non-story while half the people commenting on it complained that it wasn't a story. Erm...are you keeping up? |
| What I mainly took from traingate was the impression that Jeremy Corbyn's entourage are too incompetent to reserve seats. My late mum travelled the East Coast main line well into her eighties and she never forgot to reserve her seat. | What I mainly took from traingate was the impression that Jeremy Corbyn's entourage are too incompetent to reserve seats. My late mum travelled the East Coast main line well into her eighties and she never forgot to reserve her seat. |
| Mind, she knew who Ant & Dec are, too. | Mind, she knew who Ant & Dec are, too. |
| A few sulking Blairites are making the Labour party look a shambles. My issue of the week and previous months is - where is the public outrage at what the Conservative Government is doing and saying. A Tory dominated media including the BBC is focussing solely on Jeremy Corbyn and how best to ridicule him and his supporters. The Guardian and C4 seem to be the only media outlets attempting some perspective but it's not enough | A few sulking Blairites are making the Labour party look a shambles. My issue of the week and previous months is - where is the public outrage at what the Conservative Government is doing and saying. A Tory dominated media including the BBC is focussing solely on Jeremy Corbyn and how best to ridicule him and his supporters. The Guardian and C4 seem to be the only media outlets attempting some perspective but it's not enough |
| Traingate would have been at least a single day news story, or should have been news, if any politician was caught in a dispute with a major company as Corbyn and his team were.. | Traingate would have been at least a single day news story, or should have been news, if any politician was caught in a dispute with a major company as Corbyn and his team were.. |
| What made it last more than a day were the Confused stories about it from his team, and momentum members.If A spokesperson of Corbyn's team straight away said "OK there were a few seats, but we wanted to sit together and like other people sat on the floor for part of the journey, apologies for exaggerating slightly with "Ram-packed", but we were attempting to highlight the terrible train service." | What made it last more than a day were the Confused stories about it from his team, and momentum members.If A spokesperson of Corbyn's team straight away said "OK there were a few seats, but we wanted to sit together and like other people sat on the floor for part of the journey, apologies for exaggerating slightly with "Ram-packed", but we were attempting to highlight the terrible train service." |
| Instead there were a load of confused messages from different parts of his team, which helped perpetuate the story overnight, leaving it to Corbyn to come with a different story the day after (which had been explicitly denied the day before). | Instead there were a load of confused messages from different parts of his team, which helped perpetuate the story overnight, leaving it to Corbyn to come with a different story the day after (which had been explicitly denied the day before). |
| Sometimes just apologising in some way and moving on kills the story dead, but the utter chaos in his team has no concept of media/crisis management it appears. | Sometimes just apologising in some way and moving on kills the story dead, but the utter chaos in his team has no concept of media/crisis management it appears. |
| Share your thoughts by getting involved in the comments below. | Share your thoughts by getting involved in the comments below. |
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| #Traingate: why I spent the day on the 11am train to Newcastle | #Traingate: why I spent the day on the 11am train to Newcastle |
| Martin Belam | Martin Belam |
| I spent Wednesday going from London to York and back, trying to recreate the fateful #traingate trip that Jeremy Corbyn had made. Was it a ridiculous gimmick? Well, of course. Doing it live perhaps added more of an air of ridiculousness to the proceedings than just quietly popping up there and back and interviewing people. But it also generated huge interest. We had over 5,500 comments on the live blog – not all of them calling me an idiot – and after I’d got off the train I settled down into a place with wifi where I could carry on joining in the debate below the line, and also try and reflect some of the discussion that was going on above the line. | I spent Wednesday going from London to York and back, trying to recreate the fateful #traingate trip that Jeremy Corbyn had made. Was it a ridiculous gimmick? Well, of course. Doing it live perhaps added more of an air of ridiculousness to the proceedings than just quietly popping up there and back and interviewing people. But it also generated huge interest. We had over 5,500 comments on the live blog – not all of them calling me an idiot – and after I’d got off the train I settled down into a place with wifi where I could carry on joining in the debate below the line, and also try and reflect some of the discussion that was going on above the line. |
| It’s a classic political silly season story, but I hoped the train trip would provide a different angle for people to talk about rail policy in the UK, which was, of course, one of Corbyn’s first concrete policy suggestions when he became leader. And, after all, where better to find rail users to ask them what they think about services than on a train. | It’s a classic political silly season story, but I hoped the train trip would provide a different angle for people to talk about rail policy in the UK, which was, of course, one of Corbyn’s first concrete policy suggestions when he became leader. And, after all, where better to find rail users to ask them what they think about services than on a train. |
| I met some lovely people, and I do enjoy this kind of reporting. I also spent a night on the London Underground at the weekend meeting people who were using the night tube for the first time. I’m just a bit worried I might be getting typecast as the Guardian’s “this story has a train in it” correspondent. | I met some lovely people, and I do enjoy this kind of reporting. I also spent a night on the London Underground at the weekend meeting people who were using the night tube for the first time. I’m just a bit worried I might be getting typecast as the Guardian’s “this story has a train in it” correspondent. |
| What do you think of #traingate? Get involved in the discussion below the line. | What do you think of #traingate? Get involved in the discussion below the line. |
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| Readers are sharing their baking successes ... and failures | Readers are sharing their baking successes ... and failures |
| Guardian readers | Guardian readers |
| Alongside our hectic Bake Off live blog this week we asked you to share your baking successes and failures via GuardianWitness. As you’ll see below, the results were, as we’d hoped, mixed ... | Alongside our hectic Bake Off live blog this week we asked you to share your baking successes and failures via GuardianWitness. As you’ll see below, the results were, as we’d hoped, mixed ... |
| Dalek Cake | Dalek Cake |
| Made it to celebrate a new series of Doctor Who. It didn't turn out like the picture in the recipe. | Made it to celebrate a new series of Doctor Who. It didn't turn out like the picture in the recipe. |
| Sent via Guardian Witness | Sent via Guardian Witness |
| By bimblingbike | By bimblingbike |
| 24 August 2016, 21:35 | 24 August 2016, 21:35 |
| This is my Cookie Monster Cake, everyone wanted me to make it for my 50th Birthday! | This is my Cookie Monster Cake, everyone wanted me to make it for my 50th Birthday! |
| The yummy Cookie Monster Cake! | The yummy Cookie Monster Cake! |
| Sent via Guardian Witness | Sent via Guardian Witness |
| By Marionsteer | By Marionsteer |
| 25 August 2016, 16:20 | 25 August 2016, 16:20 |
| Knitting cake | Knitting cake |
| Made for my friend Fiona's birthday. Turned out to be the first of many themed cakes for friends and family. | Made for my friend Fiona's birthday. Turned out to be the first of many themed cakes for friends and family. |
| Sent via Guardian Witness | Sent via Guardian Witness |
| By angela congedo | By angela congedo |
| 24 August 2016, 23:41 | 24 August 2016, 23:41 |
| Jaffacake Cake flop | Jaffacake Cake flop |
| Our one and only attempt at making a giant jaffacake cake.. Never again.. | Our one and only attempt at making a giant jaffacake cake.. Never again.. |
| Sent via Guardian Witness | Sent via Guardian Witness |
| By SHLGH16 | By SHLGH16 |
| 24 August 2016, 21:35 | 24 August 2016, 21:35 |
| You can share your creations via the blue GuardianWitness buttons or by clicking here. | You can share your creations via the blue GuardianWitness buttons or by clicking here. |
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| From membership to GuardianWitness: get more involved with the Guardian | From membership to GuardianWitness: get more involved with the Guardian |
| Caroline Bannock | Caroline Bannock |
| Caroline Bannock from our community team writes: | Caroline Bannock from our community team writes: |
| At the Guardian we have dedicated engagement and community teams who work with our readers, involving them in projects and participatory journalism. Two members – Sarah and Matt – are running the Social today. Our readers’ experience enriches our journalism, and can at times have huge impact. One project in our US office, The Counted, has influenced US justice department policy on the reporting of fatal incidents involving police officers. This could not have been achieved without the help of our readers there. Today we’re asking you to help with reporting on NHS cuts. | At the Guardian we have dedicated engagement and community teams who work with our readers, involving them in projects and participatory journalism. Two members – Sarah and Matt – are running the Social today. Our readers’ experience enriches our journalism, and can at times have huge impact. One project in our US office, The Counted, has influenced US justice department policy on the reporting of fatal incidents involving police officers. This could not have been achieved without the help of our readers there. Today we’re asking you to help with reporting on NHS cuts. |
| There are myriad ways to get involved with reader projects at the Guardian. GuardianWitness, for example, is the space for reader photos, videos and stories. If you’re baking – brilliantly or (like me) disastrously – do share with us by clicking on the blue “Contribute” button at the top of this article. You may also know about Ewen MacAskill’s series about Labour and Liverpool for Guardian membership, which was guided by readers. | There are myriad ways to get involved with reader projects at the Guardian. GuardianWitness, for example, is the space for reader photos, videos and stories. If you’re baking – brilliantly or (like me) disastrously – do share with us by clicking on the blue “Contribute” button at the top of this article. You may also know about Ewen MacAskill’s series about Labour and Liverpool for Guardian membership, which was guided by readers. |
| Of course we’d like to hear your ideas on how to improve engagement further, so please do get in touch via this form. | Of course we’d like to hear your ideas on how to improve engagement further, so please do get in touch via this form. |
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| What are you reading this week? | What are you reading this week? |
| Sarah Marsh | Sarah Marsh |
| Among our most-read this week was the tragic news of Italy’s earthquake. GCSE results also featured heavily, with news of a dramatic decline in grades. Elsewhere, the burkini ban in France has got a lot of you talking, as has news of Jeremy Corbyn and #traingate. | Among our most-read this week was the tragic news of Italy’s earthquake. GCSE results also featured heavily, with news of a dramatic decline in grades. Elsewhere, the burkini ban in France has got a lot of you talking, as has news of Jeremy Corbyn and #traingate. |
| Another big hitter was a news story reporting the fact actress Courteney Cox regretted efforts to fight ageing. | Another big hitter was a news story reporting the fact actress Courteney Cox regretted efforts to fight ageing. |
| What have you been reading this week? Tell us about the stories that have got you thinking ... | What have you been reading this week? Tell us about the stories that have got you thinking ... |
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| Welcome to our weekly social | Welcome to our weekly social |
| Sarah Marsh | Sarah Marsh |
| Hello everyone. Welcome, once again, to our weekly social where we come together to discuss the week’s news and comment, share ideas and projects etc. We will be updating the blog over the course of the afternoon with journalists’ views (including their favourite articles and videos of the week), and encourage you to share your thoughts with us below the line. This is your space, so get in touch to tell us how you want it to evolve (sarah.marsh@theguardian.com). Lots of great stuff lined up today, look forward to getting started. | Hello everyone. Welcome, once again, to our weekly social where we come together to discuss the week’s news and comment, share ideas and projects etc. We will be updating the blog over the course of the afternoon with journalists’ views (including their favourite articles and videos of the week), and encourage you to share your thoughts with us below the line. This is your space, so get in touch to tell us how you want it to evolve (sarah.marsh@theguardian.com). Lots of great stuff lined up today, look forward to getting started. |