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John Kasich suspends campaign, clearing way for Trump – politics live John Kasich suspends campaign, clearing way for Trump – politics live
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Malcolm Turnbull has sought to allay fears about Donald Trump winning the US presidency by saying the Australia-US alliance would remain strong regardless of who was president although Australians may observe US elections with consternation at times.
Speaking on Triple M, the Australian prime minister said there was truth in the proposition Trump had succeeded owing to a protest vote against traditional politicians.
“There’s a real sense of disappointment in middle America, with the very slow growth in middle incomes,” he said. “Middle America has seen very slow growth and in some cases have gone backwards in incomes.
“Income inequality is a big issue in the US … there are a lot of tensions there [and] support for Trump is clearly evidence of that.”
The possibility of a Trump presidency has caused widespread global consternation because he has advocated tariff increases against China, called theGeneva conventions a problem for the conduct of US wars, and has advocated the use of torture “a hell of a lot worse” than waterboarding and isolationism in the event of a war between North Korea and its neighbours, Japan and South Korea.
Asked about that global concern Turnbull said: “I have absolutely no doubt the Anzus alliance – the Australian-American relationship – will continue to grow and strengthen regardless of who the president is.
“Our relationship with the US is so deep, it’s based on thousands if not millions of individual relationships, it’s been built up over generations.”
Related: Australia-US alliance will remain strong even if Trump wins, says Turnbull
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South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley, whose name has been mentioned as a possible vice presidential pick, said today that although she plans on supporting Donald Trump as the Republican nominee, she is not interested in the job.
“While I am flattered to be mentioned and proud of what that says about the great things going on in South Carolina, my plate is full and I am not interested in serving as vice president,” said Haley in a statement.
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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has released a statement regarding presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump’s accession to the nomination:Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has released a statement regarding presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump’s accession to the nomination:
I have committed to supporting the nominee chosen by Republican voters, and Donald Trump, the presumptive nominee, is now on the verge of clinching that nomination. Republicans are committed to preventing what would be a third term of Barack Obama and restoring economic and national security after eight years of a Democrat in the White House. As the presumptive nominee, he now has the opportunity and the obligation to unite our party around our goals.I have committed to supporting the nominee chosen by Republican voters, and Donald Trump, the presumptive nominee, is now on the verge of clinching that nomination. Republicans are committed to preventing what would be a third term of Barack Obama and restoring economic and national security after eight years of a Democrat in the White House. As the presumptive nominee, he now has the opportunity and the obligation to unite our party around our goals.
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Mac Stipanovich, a major Florida fundraiser and close ally of the Bush political dynasty, has joined that clan’s patriarchs in refusing to endorse or support Donald Trump as the party’s nominee - and has gone a step further, writing an open letter to Florida Republican urging them to push for Trump’s defeat.Mac Stipanovich, a major Florida fundraiser and close ally of the Bush political dynasty, has joined that clan’s patriarchs in refusing to endorse or support Donald Trump as the party’s nominee - and has gone a step further, writing an open letter to Florida Republican urging them to push for Trump’s defeat.
“Make no mistake, we Republicans stand on the threshold of a fundamental moral test in the 2016 presidential election, a challenge so serious as to be existential,” Stipanovich writes in the Tallahassee Democrat.“Make no mistake, we Republicans stand on the threshold of a fundamental moral test in the 2016 presidential election, a challenge so serious as to be existential,” Stipanovich writes in the Tallahassee Democrat.
The choice between Hillary Clinton and Trump is like being caught between “the Devil and the deep blue sea,” Stipanovich writes, but Trump, he cautions, is “a neo-fascist - a nativist, an ultranationalist, a racist, a misogynist, an anti-intellectual, a demagogue, and a palingenetic (sorry) authoritarian to whom clings the odor of the political violence he encourages.”The choice between Hillary Clinton and Trump is like being caught between “the Devil and the deep blue sea,” Stipanovich writes, but Trump, he cautions, is “a neo-fascist - a nativist, an ultranationalist, a racist, a misogynist, an anti-intellectual, a demagogue, and a palingenetic (sorry) authoritarian to whom clings the odor of the political violence he encourages.”
“A worse candidate to sit in the Oval Office for the next four years cannot be imagined.”“A worse candidate to sit in the Oval Office for the next four years cannot be imagined.”
Now, Stipanovich tells his fellow Republicans, it is up to them to stop him - even if it means losing the White House. “We must deny him the presidency by not voting in the presidential election at all or voting for Hillary Clinton if conscience permits.”Now, Stipanovich tells his fellow Republicans, it is up to them to stop him - even if it means losing the White House. “We must deny him the presidency by not voting in the presidential election at all or voting for Hillary Clinton if conscience permits.”
“As bad as the cure for Trump’s Caesarism will be for the Party and for the country, it will not be bad as the disease, and both will survive,” Stipanovich concludes. “So if anyone asks you, ‘Et tu Brute?’ answer proudly, ‘Damned right.’”“As bad as the cure for Trump’s Caesarism will be for the Party and for the country, it will not be bad as the disease, and both will survive,” Stipanovich concludes. “So if anyone asks you, ‘Et tu Brute?’ answer proudly, ‘Damned right.’”
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Neither George HW nor George W Bush, the only two living former Republican presidents of the United States, will endorse Donald Trump.Neither George HW nor George W Bush, the only two living former Republican presidents of the United States, will endorse Donald Trump.
In statements released to the Guardian on Wednesday evening, spokesmen for both former presidents said they would be sitting out the 2016 election. Freddy Ford, a spokesman for George W Bush, told the Guardian: “President George W Bush does not plan to participate in or comment on the presidential campaign.”In statements released to the Guardian on Wednesday evening, spokesmen for both former presidents said they would be sitting out the 2016 election. Freddy Ford, a spokesman for George W Bush, told the Guardian: “President George W Bush does not plan to participate in or comment on the presidential campaign.”
The statement by the 43rd president was echoed in one released by his father. Jim McGrath, a spokesman for George HW Bush, told the Guardian: “At age 91, President Bush is retired from politics. He naturally did a few things to help Jeb, but those were the ‘exceptions that proved the rule’.”The statement by the 43rd president was echoed in one released by his father. Jim McGrath, a spokesman for George HW Bush, told the Guardian: “At age 91, President Bush is retired from politics. He naturally did a few things to help Jeb, but those were the ‘exceptions that proved the rule’.”
The non-endorsements come as Trump has become the presumptive nominee and many party figures have tried to come to terms with the fact that the demagogic reality television star will be their party’s standard-bearer in November.The non-endorsements come as Trump has become the presumptive nominee and many party figures have tried to come to terms with the fact that the demagogic reality television star will be their party’s standard-bearer in November.
Related: Neither former Bush president will endorse Donald TrumpRelated: Neither former Bush president will endorse Donald Trump
The decision by both former presidents is particularly personal because of the unsuccessful candidacy of Jeb Bush. The former Florida governor, who is George HW’s son and George W’s brother, was repeatedly attacked during his campaign by Trump. The presumptive nominee tarred the two-term governor as “low-energy” and mocked him as “an embarrassment to his family”.The decision by both former presidents is particularly personal because of the unsuccessful candidacy of Jeb Bush. The former Florida governor, who is George HW’s son and George W’s brother, was repeatedly attacked during his campaign by Trump. The presumptive nominee tarred the two-term governor as “low-energy” and mocked him as “an embarrassment to his family”.
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Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump was on fire tonight on NBC Nightly News, telling host Lester Holt - who, for some reason, anchored the entire evening newscast from Trump Tower - that he wasn’t backing down on a single policy proposal from the Republican primary.Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump was on fire tonight on NBC Nightly News, telling host Lester Holt - who, for some reason, anchored the entire evening newscast from Trump Tower - that he wasn’t backing down on a single policy proposal from the Republican primary.
For Republicans (and others) who believed assurances from Trump’s top campaign advisers that he would moderate his positions - or at least his rhetoric - once he claimed the Republican nomination, the broadcast was a lesson in Trump’s inherent inability to be reined in.For Republicans (and others) who believed assurances from Trump’s top campaign advisers that he would moderate his positions - or at least his rhetoric - once he claimed the Republican nomination, the broadcast was a lesson in Trump’s inherent inability to be reined in.
Holt apparently presumed that Trump would moderate his stance on what has become a signature issue: a temporary ban on Muslim immigration and travel to the United States.Holt apparently presumed that Trump would moderate his stance on what has become a signature issue: a temporary ban on Muslim immigration and travel to the United States.
“You’re speaking to the whole county now,” Holt prefaced his question, before asking Trump if he still stands “behind the idea of a ban against foreign Muslims coming here?”“You’re speaking to the whole county now,” Holt prefaced his question, before asking Trump if he still stands “behind the idea of a ban against foreign Muslims coming here?”
“I do,” Trump said, without hesitation. “We have to be vigilant. We have to be strong. We have to see what’s going on. There’s a big problem in the world. You look what’s happening with the migration in Europe. You look at Germany. it’s crime-riddled right now.”“I do,” Trump said, without hesitation. “We have to be vigilant. We have to be strong. We have to see what’s going on. There’s a big problem in the world. You look what’s happening with the migration in Europe. You look at Germany. it’s crime-riddled right now.”
Trump then vowed to accomplish the ban within the first 100 days of his presidency.Trump then vowed to accomplish the ban within the first 100 days of his presidency.
When questioned about his other signature policy proposal - the deportation of roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants currently living in the US - Trump doubled down as well. “Yes, they’re gonna be deported,” Trump said. “Look, we either have a country or we don’t. We have many illegals in the country and we have to get them out and go through a process. Go through a system.”When questioned about his other signature policy proposal - the deportation of roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants currently living in the US - Trump doubled down as well. “Yes, they’re gonna be deported,” Trump said. “Look, we either have a country or we don’t. We have many illegals in the country and we have to get them out and go through a process. Go through a system.”
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The responses to this tweet from the Republican party are worth taking a look:The responses to this tweet from the Republican party are worth taking a look:
Thank you to the entire Republican field for a hard fought race. The Party is better for your efforts.Thank you to the entire Republican field for a hard fought race. The Party is better for your efforts.
Sample response: From Nebraska senator Ben Sasse!Sample response: From Nebraska senator Ben Sasse!
I assume this is a parody account? https://t.co/kPOoDpVmU7I assume this is a parody account? https://t.co/kPOoDpVmU7
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The Rolling Stones have asked presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump to stop playing their songs at his campaign events.The Rolling Stones have asked presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump to stop playing their songs at his campaign events.
In a statement this morning, the rock band said they have not given permission to the Trump campaign to use their songs and “have requested that they cease all use immediately”.In a statement this morning, the rock band said they have not given permission to the Trump campaign to use their songs and “have requested that they cease all use immediately”.
A Trump campaign spokeswoman didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment or say whether they had a license to play their songs.A Trump campaign spokeswoman didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment or say whether they had a license to play their songs.
Trump, an avid music fan, has featured Rolling Stones songs at his rallies for months as part of a diverse soundtrack that includes Elton John, opera and classic rock songs. The Rolling Stones’ 1969 classic You Can’t Always Get What You Want was a popular song for his events, and during an event last night, the campaign played Start Me Up.Trump, an avid music fan, has featured Rolling Stones songs at his rallies for months as part of a diverse soundtrack that includes Elton John, opera and classic rock songs. The Rolling Stones’ 1969 classic You Can’t Always Get What You Want was a popular song for his events, and during an event last night, the campaign played Start Me Up.
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In her first sitdown interview since losing last night’s Indiana presidential primary, former secretary of state and likely Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton fixed her aims on Donald Trump, the newly minted (for all intents and purposes) Republican nominee.In her first sitdown interview since losing last night’s Indiana presidential primary, former secretary of state and likely Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton fixed her aims on Donald Trump, the newly minted (for all intents and purposes) Republican nominee.
“I don’t think we can take a risk on a loose cannon like Donald Trump running our country,” Clinton told CNN’s Anderson Cooper.“I don’t think we can take a risk on a loose cannon like Donald Trump running our country,” Clinton told CNN’s Anderson Cooper.
But other Democratic politicians have been even more aggressive in their characterizations of Trump, in particular Elizabeth Warren, the senior senator from Massachusetts who recently went on a tweetstorm calling out Trump’s campaign as being powered by bigotry.But other Democratic politicians have been even more aggressive in their characterizations of Trump, in particular Elizabeth Warren, the senior senator from Massachusetts who recently went on a tweetstorm calling out Trump’s campaign as being powered by bigotry.
Here’s what else is real: @realDonaldTrump has built his campaign on racism, sexism, and xenophobia.Here’s what else is real: @realDonaldTrump has built his campaign on racism, sexism, and xenophobia.
There's more enthusiasm for @realDonaldTrump among leaders of the KKK than leaders of the political party he now controls.There's more enthusiasm for @realDonaldTrump among leaders of the KKK than leaders of the political party he now controls.
.@realDonaldTrump incites supporters to violence, praises Putin, and is "cool with being called an authoritarian.".@realDonaldTrump incites supporters to violence, praises Putin, and is "cool with being called an authoritarian."
“I think Elizabeth Warren’s really smart,” Clinton said, when Cooper asked if she agreed with the Democratic senator.“I think Elizabeth Warren’s really smart,” Clinton said, when Cooper asked if she agreed with the Democratic senator.
Although when asked if she thinks Trump is a racist, Clinton demurred.Although when asked if she thinks Trump is a racist, Clinton demurred.
“I’m gonna let people judge for themselves, but I have the highest regard for Elizabeth Warren,” she said.“I’m gonna let people judge for themselves, but I have the highest regard for Elizabeth Warren,” she said.
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President Barack Obama sipped filtered water in Flint, Michigan, this afternoon and assured parents that anyone older than six could do the same during a visit to a city still reeling from a scandal over lead-tainted drinking water.President Barack Obama sipped filtered water in Flint, Michigan, this afternoon and assured parents that anyone older than six could do the same during a visit to a city still reeling from a scandal over lead-tainted drinking water.
Obama made the trip to the mostly African American community to reassure residents that the water was safe even as he predicted it would take more than two years to replace the city’s aging pipes, which leached lead into the drinking water.Obama made the trip to the mostly African American community to reassure residents that the water was safe even as he predicted it would take more than two years to replace the city’s aging pipes, which leached lead into the drinking water.
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The surprises keep coming from Donald Trump’s first sitdown as the presumptive Republican nominee, after the candidate changed his position on raising the minimum wage in an interview with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer.
“You have to have something you can live on,” Trump said. “But what I’m really looking to do is get people great jobs so they make much more money than that, much more money than the $15.”
Donald Trump: I'm open to doing something on the minimum wage https://t.co/6OZtrfIwim https://t.co/pWIfjE8MhH
At a presidential debate in Milwaukee last November, Trump told Fox Business host Neil Cavuto that he wouldn’t raise the minimum wage because the US “is a country that is being beaten on every front.”
The federal minimum wage is currently at $7.25, although labor groups and both Democratic presidential candidates have pushed to raise the minimum wage to more than twice that level - although there is some quibbling regarding Hillary Clinton’s position.
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WSJ: Donald Trump won't self-fund general election campaign
Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has cast aside one of his main selling points, telling the Wall Street Journal that he will not self-fund his presidential campaign during the general election.
Instead, Trump said, he’ll be creating a “world-class finance organization” to rival that of likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.
“I’ll be putting up money, but won’t be completely self-funding, as I did during the primaries,” Trump told the Wall Street Journal. The candidate had long decried his opponents’ reliance on campaign contributions and super PACs, labelling them “puppets” of special interests who wouldn’t look out for average voters.
Although he did receive several million dollars in donations - which he characterized as unsolicited - Trump’s campaign spending was largely in the form of loans from himself, which can be repaid by the campaign during the general election. Those loans, which are interest-free, also don’t have to be repaid until Dec. 31, 2016 at the earliest - and could even be written off on Trump’s tax returns.
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In his first in-person interview since functionally clinching the Republican presidential nomination, Donald Trump distanced himself from comments he made yesterday morning linking former opponent Ted Cruz’s father with Lee Harvey Oswald, the man who assassinated John F. Kennedy in 1963.
“Ted Cruz’s father, seems like a nice guy, don’t know him,” Trump told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “He made horrible statements about me, praying for bad things to happen to me, essentially.”
As for whether the National Enquirer story he cited - which claimed to possess photographic evidence that Rafael Cruz, an ardent anti-communist, was seen handing out pro-Castro leaflets with Oswald in the months before the Kennedy assassination - Trump demurred.
“I’m not saying he conspired, I’m saying he’s all over the place,” Trump said. “Of course I don’t believe it, but I said, ‘Let people read it.’”
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Scott Bixby
In his first sitdown interview as the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Donald Trump refused to back down his his longstanding - and long-since debunked - claims that Barack Obama was not born in the United States, and also refused to denounce antisemitic attacks on a journalist who wrote a profile about his wife.
Speaking to CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, Trump doubled down on some of his most controversial and inflammatory positions and statements, claiming his statements about the president’s nationality his attempts to link the father of former rival Ted Cruz to the assassination of John F Kennedy were proportional to attacks waged against himself.
“I’ve given up a tremendous amount to run for president,” Trump told Blitzer. “I gave up two more seasons of Celebrity Apprentice.”
Blitzer asked Trump specifically to address his supporters who had sent “vicious” messages to journalist Julia Ioffe this week. After her profile of Donald Trump’s wife, Melania, appeared in this month’s issue of GQ, the Russian-American journalist received a torrent of antisemitic and threatening messages from supporters of the Republican frontrunner.
“I don’t have a message to the fans – I’m not gonna talk about that,” Trump said, calling Ioffe’s story “nasty” and defending his wife against unspecified falsehoods in the piece.
“She doesn’t need to have bad things said about her,” he said of his wife. Trump protested that he knew nothing of any antisemitic or abusive comments and threats directed at Ioffe.
When Blitzer asked Trump about his past support of “birtherism” - the fervent and unsubstantiated belief that Barack Obama was secretly born outside of the United States and is therefore constitutionally ineligible for the presidency, Trump pinned his past statements on his likely opponent in the general election: Hillary Clinton.
“She’s the one who started it,” Trump said. The billionaire has long argued that the former secretary of state was the instigator in the birther movement, although evidence for this assertion has not surfaced.
Trump, whose senior campaign staff have intimated to Republican party leadership that the candidate would moderate his tone in the general election, also refused to walk back statements on other hot-button issues, including his signature proposal to temporarily ban Muslim immigration into the United States.
“I don’t know, I mean, look, I don’t know,” Trump said, when Blitzer asked if such a proposal would alienate America’s allies in the Middle East. “The migration is a disaster – we’re letting in thousands of people. They don’t have documentation, they don’t have paperwork, we don’t know who they are or where they come from.”
In an interview with the New York Times Trump said he would implement the ban within his first 100 days, the paper reported.
He also declared that his suggestion that US troop presence in friendly nations should be subsidized was still a key feature of his proposed national security platform.
“If they’re not going to take care of us properly, we cannot afford to police the entire world,” Trump said, when asked if he would allow Japan and South Korea to become nuclear powers. “I’m prepared to walk, and if they don’t take care of us properly ... they’re gonna have to defend themselves.”
When Blitzer quoted a military estimate that it might cost more money to house American troops in the US than in Japan, Trump implied that perhaps those troops were redundant. “Maybe you don’t need them. Maybe you don’t need them.”
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The head of the Republican Jewish Coalition has released a statement purporting to congratulate presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump on clearing the field to the party’s nomination, but makes little mention of him beyond the first sentence of the statement.
“The Republican Jewish Coalition congratulates Donald Trump on being the presumptive presidential nominee of the Republican party,” said RJC chair David Flaum, before moving on to more important matters.
“Throughout the course of this long campaign among Republicans there has been unity in the belief that Hillary Clinton is the worst possible choice for a commander in chief,” Flaum continues. “Secretary Clinton has proven time and again through her record and her policies that her candidacy will compromise our national security, weaken our economy and further strain our relationship with our greatest ally Israel. Along with the presidential race, the RJC will be working hard to hold on to our majorities in the Senate and the House. It is critical that these majorities be preserved. To do this we must remember our core principles: peace through strength, unwavering support for Israel and robust American leadership at home and abroad.”
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And with that, resistance to Donald Trump’s capture of the Republican party has officially crumbled as his sole remaining opponent conceded there was no chance of preventing the New York businessman from becoming the party’s presidential nominee.
John Kasich’s decision to suspend his campaign will mark the formal end of the most extraordinary race for the Republican presidential nomination in modern political history, and leave Trump with only the Democratic nominee in November standing between him and the White House – likely to be Hillary Clinton.
Kasich spent 18 years in Congress, including six years as chairman of the powerful House budget committee, before leaving government temporarily to work as a regional director for failed investment bank Lehman Brothers. He was elected governor of Ohio in 2010 in a close race with an incumbent Democrat and enjoyed home-state popularity measured at record levels in 2015, with 62% of Ohio voters approving of his job performance.
In a statement, a spokesperson for the Ohio Democratic party said: “Since last March, Governor John Kasich has spent more than 200 days out of state, pursuing his presidential ambitions and ignoring the needs of the people of Ohio ... It’s time that Ohio had a governor who was actually doing something about all of that, rather than gallivanting across the country.
“In addition, we hope that the Kasich administration will provide a full accounting of the cost to Ohio taxpayers and Kasich’s campaign will reimburse the state for every single penny that his failed campaign cost the taxpayers of Ohio.”
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John Kasich suspends his presidential campaign
After quoting Alexis de Tocqueville, John Kasich officially announces the suspension of his presidential campaign.
“As I suspend my campaign today, I have renewed faith - deeper faith - that the Lord will show me the way forward and fulfill the purpose of my life.”
“Thank you, and God bless,” Kasich concludes.
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John Kasich continues a speech widely anticipated to lead to the suspension of his presidential campaign with a series of policy platforms.
“Let me be clear - we all know that economic growth is imperative to the success of our country,” Kasich says. “And I can tell you that economic growth can be achieved by our public officials if they just do their jobs. But they have to do their job. They can’t focus on focus groups, and they have to overcome the fear of reelection or criticism.”
“We need a realistic path to balance the budget, and frankly nothing more imperative than a balanced budget amendment to the US constitution,” Kasich continues, and “run America again from the bottom up.”
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Tearing up, John Kasich opens up about the connections he made with voters in the Republican primary campaign, particularly one moment that made news around the world.
“The people of our country changed me,” Kasich says. “They changed me with the stories of their lives. But we all remember that hug in South Carolina from that young man who had found despair, and then found hope somehow, and he just wanted to give me a hug. And the country marveled.”
“But that was one of a series of these things that happened,” Kasich says.
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John Kasich goes over the surprising arc of his presidential primary campaign.
“I visited these beautiful, beautiful towns in New Hampshire, and people had really counted me out in New Hampshire, but when we hit our 100th town hall, it was really remarkable. Those beautiful towns... I will never forget the people of New Hampshire,” Kasich says.
And from New Hampshire’s town halls “to the excitement of California - even being able to sit in traffic in Los Angeles,” Kasich says of his campaign’s journey, was “magical, what we are seeing here.”
“The people here,” he said of his “beloved” Ohio, “I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the opportunity you have given me to be a leader in this state. The people in Ohio have given me the greatest professional experience of my lifetime. I’ve tried to pay them back.”