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Clinton and Sanders get contentious in Brooklyn debate – live Clinton and Sanders get contentious in Brooklyn debate – as it happened
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Summary: what we learnedSummary: what we learned
Did we just witness the final Democratic presidential debate of the 2016 cycle? There’s only one way to find out: wait. In any case the ninth episode is in the can, and here is what happened:Did we just witness the final Democratic presidential debate of the 2016 cycle? There’s only one way to find out: wait. In any case the ninth episode is in the can, and here is what happened:
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From the comments / how did they do?From the comments / how did they do?
This was an interesting debate.This was an interesting debate.
A few quick thoughts: 1) Sanders effectively brought attention to Clinton not answering to the questions. He did this in a matter-of-fact way. 2) Clinton looks bad on the GS transcripts. 3) Clinton seems all over the place and really dishonest about Obama. She refers to him when it is convenient; blames it when it is not. 4) Each candidate had different approaches to the debate. Clinton seems as though she is fighting for her life; Sanders seem almost relaxed, making his points with a lot of self-confidence. 5) Sanders seems perfectly competent and well versed in foreign policy issues. We will see how the Israel discussion plays out.A few quick thoughts: 1) Sanders effectively brought attention to Clinton not answering to the questions. He did this in a matter-of-fact way. 2) Clinton looks bad on the GS transcripts. 3) Clinton seems all over the place and really dishonest about Obama. She refers to him when it is convenient; blames it when it is not. 4) Each candidate had different approaches to the debate. Clinton seems as though she is fighting for her life; Sanders seem almost relaxed, making his points with a lot of self-confidence. 5) Sanders seems perfectly competent and well versed in foreign policy issues. We will see how the Israel discussion plays out.
I wonder how the media will spin this: will they anoint Clinton or try to give an honest account of the differences?I wonder how the media will spin this: will they anoint Clinton or try to give an honest account of the differences?
Sanders stumbled on one question at the beginning and knocked it out of the park for the rest. You want fairness in Bernie supporters? There it is. He killed it.Sanders stumbled on one question at the beginning and knocked it out of the park for the rest. You want fairness in Bernie supporters? There it is. He killed it.
Clinton shows that she is the best candidate once again! She wins, hands down. Bernie is toast.Clinton shows that she is the best candidate once again! She wins, hands down. Bernie is toast.
Clinton should be in the running for an Oscar and not for president. Her fake, syrupy speech at the end was cringeworthy.Clinton should be in the running for an Oscar and not for president. Her fake, syrupy speech at the end was cringeworthy.
Compare closing statements:Compare closing statements:
Sanders brought the house down with an inspiring call to a better America.Sanders brought the house down with an inspiring call to a better America.
Clinton sounded depressed.Clinton sounded depressed.
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Here’s a point of agreement among observers reviewing the night: naming states they have won is not an effective tactic for the candidates.Here’s a point of agreement among observers reviewing the night: naming states they have won is not an effective tactic for the candidates.
Can't believe all of this towel snapping on both sides about who has won what impresses many people watching.#demdebateCan't believe all of this towel snapping on both sides about who has won what impresses many people watching.#demdebate
DONT LIST STATES pic.twitter.com/jVkjxofgvHDONT LIST STATES pic.twitter.com/jVkjxofgvH
And some folks just appreciate a broad Brooklyn accent:And some folks just appreciate a broad Brooklyn accent:
"Yunguh". Bernie makes me laugh."Yunguh". Bernie makes me laugh.
"We got muhduhed dere," Sanders says of the deep south."We got muhduhed dere," Sanders says of the deep south.
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Closing statementsClosing statements
Sanders: I grew up in Brooklyn, the son of a penniless immigrant, a proud American. This country gave opportunity. This country has enormous potential if we have the guts to take on Big Money. I disagree with Clinton that you can take money from Wall Street and Super Pacs and then turn around and do what has to be done. If we stand together and not let Trumps of the world divide us we can provide health care, education, clean energy, financial hygiene, fair taxation. Stand up, fight back! Political revolution. Clap clap clap cheer cheer cheer. Bernie! Bernie! chant.Sanders: I grew up in Brooklyn, the son of a penniless immigrant, a proud American. This country gave opportunity. This country has enormous potential if we have the guts to take on Big Money. I disagree with Clinton that you can take money from Wall Street and Super Pacs and then turn around and do what has to be done. If we stand together and not let Trumps of the world divide us we can provide health care, education, clean energy, financial hygiene, fair taxation. Stand up, fight back! Political revolution. Clap clap clap cheer cheer cheer. Bernie! Bernie! chant.
Clinton: I’m grateful I was NY senator. “You took a chance on me and reelected me.” We worked closely together. We took on the challenges of 9/11. We got the money to rebuild New York. Aided first responders construction workers and others who endangered their own health. We created jobs despite George W Bush. We stood up to powerful interests. I’m asking for your support to continue that work together. Knock down the barriers. Not just economic barriers. Racial, gender, homophobic, disability. I am humbly asking for your support. We won’t just make promises, we’ll deliver results! Cheer cheer, clap clap clap. No chanting though.Clinton: I’m grateful I was NY senator. “You took a chance on me and reelected me.” We worked closely together. We took on the challenges of 9/11. We got the money to rebuild New York. Aided first responders construction workers and others who endangered their own health. We created jobs despite George W Bush. We stood up to powerful interests. I’m asking for your support to continue that work together. Knock down the barriers. Not just economic barriers. Racial, gender, homophobic, disability. I am humbly asking for your support. We won’t just make promises, we’ll deliver results! Cheer cheer, clap clap clap. No chanting though.
That’s a wrap. Let’s hear it!That’s a wrap. Let’s hear it!
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Mona ChalabiMona Chalabi
The number of Americans who do not identify as Republican or Democrat is at an all-time high – which might explain why the crowd erupted in cheers when Sanders mentioned independents. In January 2016, polling from Gallup showed 42% of respondents identify as independents, 29% as Democrats and 26% as Republicans.The number of Americans who do not identify as Republican or Democrat is at an all-time high – which might explain why the crowd erupted in cheers when Sanders mentioned independents. In January 2016, polling from Gallup showed 42% of respondents identify as independents, 29% as Democrats and 26% as Republicans.
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Continuing on the electability question: Sanders says young people support him because he’s clearly not beholden to special interests.Continuing on the electability question: Sanders says young people support him because he’s clearly not beholden to special interests.
And Wolf Blitzer cuts them off.And Wolf Blitzer cuts them off.
Final pitches are next.Final pitches are next.
Last commercial break.Last commercial break.
Who won it? Who said it best? Who showed the most New York values up there?Who won it? Who said it best? Who showed the most New York values up there?
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Sanders: 'we got murdered' in the deep SouthSanders: 'we got murdered' in the deep South
Clinton makes a case for her electability. She says she has 2.3m more votes than senator Sanders and 1.4m more votes than Donald Trump. She says she has a broad-based inclusive coalition across the country and across every race. She says she can “defeat whoever the Republicans end up nominating.”Clinton makes a case for her electability. She says she has 2.3m more votes than senator Sanders and 1.4m more votes than Donald Trump. She says she has a broad-based inclusive coalition across the country and across every race. She says she can “defeat whoever the Republicans end up nominating.”
She says she’s glad young people are involved in politics. “But let me also say... it’s going to be important that we unify the Democratic party when the nomination process has been completed.” She says she knows all about it, referring to 2008.She says she’s glad young people are involved in politics. “But let me also say... it’s going to be important that we unify the Democratic party when the nomination process has been completed.” She says she knows all about it, referring to 2008.
Dana Bash fights for the mic.Dana Bash fights for the mic.
There are three months till the convention. Will you take the fight to the floor if no one has a majority of pledged delegates?There are three months till the convention. Will you take the fight to the floor if no one has a majority of pledged delegates?
“I think we’re going to win this nomination, to tell you the truth,” Sanders says.“I think we’re going to win this nomination, to tell you the truth,” Sanders says.
“Senator Clinton cleaned our clock in the deep south. We got murdered there... but you know what, we’re out of the deep South now.... I believe that we’re gonna win this nomination, and I believe that we’re going to obliterate Donald Trump or whoever the nominee is.”“Senator Clinton cleaned our clock in the deep south. We got murdered there... but you know what, we’re out of the deep South now.... I believe that we’re gonna win this nomination, and I believe that we’re going to obliterate Donald Trump or whoever the nominee is.”
Again folks, the reason Sanders lost in the south is because Clinton does well among black voters. It's not about conservatism.Again folks, the reason Sanders lost in the south is because Clinton does well among black voters. It's not about conservatism.
Clinton says that she has a lead in pledged delegates too, wider than Obama’s over her was. Then she names eight states outside the south she won. “We are very confident and optimistic,” she says, but she’s not taking anything for granted. “I’m going to work.” she names the next six states.Clinton says that she has a lead in pledged delegates too, wider than Obama’s over her was. Then she names eight states outside the south she won. “We are very confident and optimistic,” she says, but she’s not taking anything for granted. “I’m going to work.” she names the next six states.
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Breaking: NY Post endorses Donald TrumpBreaking: NY Post endorses Donald Trump
The Daily New endorsed Clinton. Now the Post endorses Trump:The Daily New endorsed Clinton. Now the Post endorses Trump:
The Post endorses Donald Trump https://t.co/bGIxG1DnZO pic.twitter.com/1lC8E4Xi89The Post endorses Donald Trump https://t.co/bGIxG1DnZO pic.twitter.com/1lC8E4Xi89
What’s their reasoning? We haven’t had time to read it.What’s their reasoning? We haven’t had time to read it.
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Sanders says he has a 100% pro-choice voting record. He says he’ll take on GOP governors trying to restrict a woman’s right to choose and who are discriminating against the LGBT community. He says he would expand funding for Planned Parenthood.Sanders says he has a 100% pro-choice voting record. He says he’ll take on GOP governors trying to restrict a woman’s right to choose and who are discriminating against the LGBT community. He says he would expand funding for Planned Parenthood.
Now the narrators claw back the discussion to questions they want to ask.Now the narrators claw back the discussion to questions they want to ask.
One for Sanders: Are you a Democrat?One for Sanders: Are you a Democrat?
“Why would I be running for the Democratic nomination for president?” He says. Then he says he runs better nationally against Trump than Clinton. “There are a whole lot of independents in this country.” He says he can reach them.“Why would I be running for the Democratic nomination for president?” He says. Then he says he runs better nationally against Trump than Clinton. “There are a whole lot of independents in this country.” He says he can reach them.
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Clinton is asked about the Merrick Garland nomination to the Supreme Court. She says that the Senate needs to respond.Clinton is asked about the Merrick Garland nomination to the Supreme Court. She says that the Senate needs to respond.
“It really is an outrage,” Sanders agrees. He talks about 7.5 years of “unbelievable obstructionism” from Republicans.“It really is an outrage,” Sanders agrees. He talks about 7.5 years of “unbelievable obstructionism” from Republicans.
If elected president, Sanders says, Obama should withdraw the nomination, because we need a justice who will make it crystalclear that he or she will vote to overturn Citizens United.If elected president, Sanders says, Obama should withdraw the nomination, because we need a justice who will make it crystalclear that he or she will vote to overturn Citizens United.
Big applause.Big applause.
Clinton says the only people she’d appoint are people who believe that Roe v Wade is settled law and Citizen’s United is overturned.Clinton says the only people she’d appoint are people who believe that Roe v Wade is settled law and Citizen’s United is overturned.
On that topic...On that topic...
Clinton says they’ve had eight debates and there has not been one question about a women’s right to choose.Clinton says they’ve had eight debates and there has not been one question about a women’s right to choose.
Then she answers the question that has not been asked. She hits Donald Trump by name. “Our rights, our autonomy.”Then she answers the question that has not been asked. She hits Donald Trump by name. “Our rights, our autonomy.”
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Mona ChalabiMona Chalabi
Bernie’s comments expressing criticism of Israeli defense policy may prove politically costly. Although the crowd in New York expressed cheers, national opinion polling suggests that more Americans sympathize with Israel than the Palestinians, writes Mona Chalabi.Bernie’s comments expressing criticism of Israeli defense policy may prove politically costly. Although the crowd in New York expressed cheers, national opinion polling suggests that more Americans sympathize with Israel than the Palestinians, writes Mona Chalabi.
In March 2015, a Pew Research Center study found that 31% of US respondents sympathized with Israel a lot in its dispute with the Palestinians while just 11% sympathize a great deal with the Palestinians.In March 2015, a Pew Research Center study found that 31% of US respondents sympathized with Israel a lot in its dispute with the Palestinians while just 11% sympathize a great deal with the Palestinians.
Those attitudes look very different however depending on an individual’s political identification. Sanders is no doubt resonating with the more left of center strand of Democrat supporters given that 68% of liberal Democrats have at least some sympathy for the Palestinians compared to just 45% of individuals who describe themselves as conservative or moderate Democrats.Those attitudes look very different however depending on an individual’s political identification. Sanders is no doubt resonating with the more left of center strand of Democrat supporters given that 68% of liberal Democrats have at least some sympathy for the Palestinians compared to just 45% of individuals who describe themselves as conservative or moderate Democrats.
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Around in circles on Social SecurityAround in circles on Social Security
Clinton is asked whether she would lift the cap on taxable income that pays into social security, as a way of expanding the social program.Clinton is asked whether she would lift the cap on taxable income that pays into social security, as a way of expanding the social program.
I am going to make the wealthy pay more into social security, she says. But the exact method is unstipulated. Maybe it’s a tax on passive income.I am going to make the wealthy pay more into social security, she says. But the exact method is unstipulated. Maybe it’s a tax on passive income.
Interesting concept but you didn’t answer the question, Sanders says.Interesting concept but you didn’t answer the question, Sanders says.
I did! Clinton says. “I did answer the question!”I did! Clinton says. “I did answer the question!”
“Your answer has been the same year after year,” Sanders says. Why not say whether you’ll lift the cap on taxable income?“Your answer has been the same year after year,” Sanders says. Why not say whether you’ll lift the cap on taxable income?
“We are in vigorous agreement here, senator,” Clinton. Then she says Republicans regard social security as a Ponzi scheme.“We are in vigorous agreement here, senator,” Clinton. Then she says Republicans regard social security as a Ponzi scheme.
“So you are finally in favor of lifting the cap on taxable income and extending and expanding social security?” Sanders says. “IF that is the case, welcome onboard. I am glad you are here.”“So you are finally in favor of lifting the cap on taxable income and extending and expanding social security?” Sanders says. “IF that is the case, welcome onboard. I am glad you are here.”
“I’ve said the same thing for years. I didn’t say anything different tonight,” she says.“I’ve said the same thing for years. I didn’t say anything different tonight,” she says.
Sanders says, so I’m confused: would you lift the cap? Yes or no?Sanders says, so I’m confused: would you lift the cap? Yes or no?
“I have said yes,” Clinton said. “We are going to extend the trust fund, we’ve got some good ideas.” She’s noncommital.“I have said yes,” Clinton said. “We are going to extend the trust fund, we’ve got some good ideas.” She’s noncommital.
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Sanders says that Clinton is saying the country does not have the courage to stand up to big money.Sanders says that Clinton is saying the country does not have the courage to stand up to big money.
“How is it that every other major country manages to guarantee health care?” he says. “I live 50 miles from Canada. It’s not some kind of communist authoritarian country. They’re doing OK,” he says.“How is it that every other major country manages to guarantee health care?” he says. “I live 50 miles from Canada. It’s not some kind of communist authoritarian country. They’re doing OK,” he says.
Clinton says they have the same goal. “I am so much in favor of supporting president Obama’s signature achievement,” Obamacare, she says – instead of “starting over” as Sanders would.Clinton says they have the same goal. “I am so much in favor of supporting president Obama’s signature achievement,” Obamacare, she says – instead of “starting over” as Sanders would.
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Lois BeckettLois Beckett
The daughter of the school principal murdered at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, tweeted out a response to Bernie Sanders who, when asked if he owed her and other family members of victims an apology, said he didn’t think he did, writes Lois Beckett.The daughter of the school principal murdered at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, tweeted out a response to Bernie Sanders who, when asked if he owed her and other family members of victims an apology, said he didn’t think he did, writes Lois Beckett.
.@BernieSanders YOU DO OWE AN APOLOGY! Your round about answer was just not good enough!.@BernieSanders YOU DO OWE AN APOLOGY! Your round about answer was just not good enough!
She also criticized the language Sanders used in talking about her mother’s death.She also criticized the language Sanders used in talking about her mother’s death.
Dear @BernieSanders - my mother was NOT cattle - she was NOT "slaughtered". Maybe be a bit more sensitive with you language. <3 #DawnsKidDear @BernieSanders - my mother was NOT cattle - she was NOT "slaughtered". Maybe be a bit more sensitive with you language. <3 #DawnsKid
Sanders defended his support of a federal shield law that makes it more difficult to sue gun manufacturers and dealers over criminal misuse of their guns.Sanders defended his support of a federal shield law that makes it more difficult to sue gun manufacturers and dealers over criminal misuse of their guns.
He noted that some of the families had won a victory in court today in their lawsuit against gun companies who made and sold the gun used in the 2012 school shooting. The victory was a very small and technical one. A Connecticut judge ruled the lawsuit can continue, but the families “still have a very tough road ahead of them” one legal expert said. “They’re still a long way from trial.”He noted that some of the families had won a victory in court today in their lawsuit against gun companies who made and sold the gun used in the 2012 school shooting. The victory was a very small and technical one. A Connecticut judge ruled the lawsuit can continue, but the families “still have a very tough road ahead of them” one legal expert said. “They’re still a long way from trial.”
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They’re back! Sanders is challenged that his education and health care proposals would be too expensive and bust the budget.They’re back! Sanders is challenged that his education and health care proposals would be too expensive and bust the budget.
He says the last 30 years have seen a massive transfer of wealth. “I am determined to transfer that money back to the working families of this country.”He says the last 30 years have seen a massive transfer of wealth. “I am determined to transfer that money back to the working families of this country.”
Clinton: “I absolutely agree with the diagnosis.” We need to do more to get universal health coverage. We have to make college affordable. But... Sanders’ plan for health care and free college would cost the wrong people too much, she says.Clinton: “I absolutely agree with the diagnosis.” We need to do more to get universal health coverage. We have to make college affordable. But... Sanders’ plan for health care and free college would cost the wrong people too much, she says.
Sanders can’t wait to reply.Sanders can’t wait to reply.
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Mona ChalabiMona Chalabi
Last year, European members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) contributed $234 billion, writes Mona Chalabi.Last year, European members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) contributed $234 billion, writes Mona Chalabi.
That same year, the US alone contributed $650 billion. Claims that the burden on the US alone are disproportionate clearly have some basis, even if you view contributions as a share of GDP or on a per capita basis.That same year, the US alone contributed $650 billion. Claims that the burden on the US alone are disproportionate clearly have some basis, even if you view contributions as a share of GDP or on a per capita basis.
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Here’s something to watch during the commercial: Video of Clinton trying to escape the question about her Goldman Sachs transcripts.Here’s something to watch during the commercial: Video of Clinton trying to escape the question about her Goldman Sachs transcripts.
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Second commercial break. How did that section go? Did Clinton handle the Libya challenge well? Sanders had more room to maneuver on Israel than she did. Neither got much into the Syria question.Second commercial break. How did that section go? Did Clinton handle the Libya challenge well? Sanders had more room to maneuver on Israel than she did. Neither got much into the Syria question.
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Sanders is just needling Clinton on Israel, exposing her unwillingness to go one inch out onto the limb of anything that might be taken as criticism of Israel.Sanders is just needling Clinton on Israel, exposing her unwillingness to go one inch out onto the limb of anything that might be taken as criticism of Israel.
“There comes a time if we are going to pursue justice and peace that we are going to have to say that Netanyahu is not right all of the time,” Sanders says.“There comes a time if we are going to pursue justice and peace that we are going to have to say that Netanyahu is not right all of the time,” Sanders says.
She replies in the most general of terms: “Nobody is saying that any individual leader is always right but it is a difficult position.”She replies in the most general of terms: “Nobody is saying that any individual leader is always right but it is a difficult position.”