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| School-leavers should be encouraged to swear an oath of allegiance to Queen and country, says a report commissioned by Gordon Brown on British citizenship. | |
| Report author, ex-attorney general Lord Goldsmith, says it would give teenagers a sense of belonging. | |
| Council tax and student fee rebates are suggested for people who volunteer - as well as a "Britishness" public holiday. | Council tax and student fee rebates are suggested for people who volunteer - as well as a "Britishness" public holiday. |
| The government said it would "study" the report's "interesting" findings but is not bound by its recommendations. | |
| However, John Dunford from the Association of School and College leaders said the citizenship ceremony was "a half-baked idea". | |
| Graduation ceremonies | Graduation ceremonies |
| A Scottish Government spokesman said it did not support the plan and did not believe it would find favour with parents or school pupils. | A Scottish Government spokesman said it did not support the plan and did not believe it would find favour with parents or school pupils. |
| And Labour peer Baroness Kennedy said: "I think this is a serious mistake - I think it's puerile and I think it's rather silly." | And Labour peer Baroness Kennedy said: "I think this is a serious mistake - I think it's puerile and I think it's rather silly." |
| Lord Goldsmith, who quit government in June, believes that citizenship ceremonies for teenagers would help improve their sense of what it means to be a British citizen. | Lord Goldsmith, who quit government in June, believes that citizenship ceremonies for teenagers would help improve their sense of what it means to be a British citizen. |
| The symbols of a healthy democracy are not to be found in empty gestures and I'm afraid I see this as an empty gesture Baroness Helena KennedyHuman rights lawyer | The symbols of a healthy democracy are not to be found in empty gestures and I'm afraid I see this as an empty gesture Baroness Helena KennedyHuman rights lawyer |
| "Certainly there isn't a crisis of national identity, but the research does tend to show there's been a diminution in national pride, in this sense of belonging," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme. | "Certainly there isn't a crisis of national identity, but the research does tend to show there's been a diminution in national pride, in this sense of belonging," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme. |
| "The citizenship ceremonies, which are just one of the many things I have suggested, are a way of marking that passage of being a student of citizenship to a citizen in practice. | |
| "It does make sense to promote a sense of shared belonging, a sense that you are part of a community with a common venture, to integrate better newcomers to our society and be clearer about what the rights and responsibilities are." | "It does make sense to promote a sense of shared belonging, a sense that you are part of a community with a common venture, to integrate better newcomers to our society and be clearer about what the rights and responsibilities are." |
| CITIZENSHIP - KEY POINTS Citizenship ceremonies for all young people - with possible inclusion of oath of allegiance to QueenA British national day by 2012, linked to Olympics and the Queen's Diamond JubileeScrapping or reforming ancient laws of TreasonTuition fee and council tax rebates for volunteers'Language loans' for newcomers to help them learn English | |
| Lord Goldsmith said that while he favours an oath of allegiance to the Queen, the statement could be a pledge of commitment to the country or a statement of what the rights and responsibilities of citizens are. | |
| He also stressed that he could not see why Republicans would not want to swear an oath, even though they may not believe in the present system of government. | He also stressed that he could not see why Republicans would not want to swear an oath, even though they may not believe in the present system of government. |
| However, Graham Smith of the group Republic, which campaigns for the abolition of the monarchy, told the BBC: "It's offensive to people who do actually cherish democracy and who actually cherish the sorts of liberties we've fought for centuries." | However, Graham Smith of the group Republic, which campaigns for the abolition of the monarchy, told the BBC: "It's offensive to people who do actually cherish democracy and who actually cherish the sorts of liberties we've fought for centuries." |
| If children refuse to take part, he added, "are they then going to be told or taught that they are somehow less British or less loyal or less patriotic?" | If children refuse to take part, he added, "are they then going to be told or taught that they are somehow less British or less loyal or less patriotic?" |
| Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg said there were "far better ways" of creating a sense of belonging for teenagers than asking people to swear allegiance to Queen and country. | |
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| "People should not feel that being British is about swearing allegiance - it should be about taking an active role in society," he said. | |
| Citizenship ceremonies already exist for immigrants and the report suggests holding them in schools, where youngsters who are about to leave the school and move on to work or further education could participate. | Citizenship ceremonies already exist for immigrants and the report suggests holding them in schools, where youngsters who are about to leave the school and move on to work or further education could participate. |
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| Lord Goldsmith says a new British national day should be established by 2012 to coincide with the Olympics and what will be the Queen's Diamond Jubilee. | |
| It could operate in the same way as Australia Day, which is a public holiday on 26 January and is used to celebrate what it means to be an Australian. | |
| And young people who volunteer could receive a reduction in tuition fees, while others who work in the community could be given a small council tax rebate. | And young people who volunteer could receive a reduction in tuition fees, while others who work in the community could be given a small council tax rebate. |
| The peer has consulted people in the UK, Europe, North America and elsewhere to pull together a series of proposals aimed at providing a "much clearer vision of what it means to be a citizen". | The peer has consulted people in the UK, Europe, North America and elsewhere to pull together a series of proposals aimed at providing a "much clearer vision of what it means to be a citizen". |
| Lady Kennedy, a human rights lawyer, said the proposal was based on a misconception of what it meant to be proud of a country. | Lady Kennedy, a human rights lawyer, said the proposal was based on a misconception of what it meant to be proud of a country. |
| Treason laws | |
| She said: "The symbols of a healthy democracy are not to be found in empty gestures and I'm afraid I see this as an empty gesture." | She said: "The symbols of a healthy democracy are not to be found in empty gestures and I'm afraid I see this as an empty gesture." |
| Lord Goldsmith has called for Britain's old treason laws to be scrapped or reformed. At the moment they include sleeping with the wife of the heir to the throne, which is punishable by life in prison. | |
| The peer has also hinted at updating the national anthem by removing verses which are rarely performed. |